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06-19-2012, 11:17 AM
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I don't understand posts like this. He made 3.75 last year and when he signed that contract it was generally considered to be home town discount to stay with the wings. The cap has gone up so lots of teams have cap space. There are very few top 4 D men available. Every year lots of players get paydays that shock us on July 1st. If he went UFA and went to the highest bidder, there is no way he wouldn't get 4 million+.
I understand what you guys are saying, but it ignores the fact that Stuart is seemingly getting worse each season. Also, he won't be paired with Lidstrom anymore which concerns me. I really would have preffered around the $3.25 range at most (assuming NTC).

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I understand what you guys are saying, but it ignores the fact that Stuart is seemingly getting worse each season. Also, he won't be paired with Lidstrom anymore which concerns me. I really would have preffered around the $3.25 range at most (assuming NTC).
So the concern is over $375,000, or 2/3 of 1% of the cap.

If this means no Colin White, No Kent Huskins, No Jim Vandermeer, no trading another 2nd round pick for a rental at the deadline, no forcing a young guy from Worcester to play in the NHL when he can't....personally I am ok with it.

I know DW has a history of overpaying some players and this MAY turn out to be another case after 2 years. But I feel pretty secure that it's a good number for this coming year.

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Real question: Has DW ever surprised folks with a UFA signing that was considered a bargain?


Not a UFA signing, but I was very suprised at how cheap he was able to extend Burns for.

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So the concern is over $375,000, or 2/3 of 1% of the cap.

If this means no Colin White, No Kent Huskins, No Jim Vandermeer, no trading another 2nd round pick for a rental at the deadline, no forcing a young guy from Worcester to play in the NHL when he can't....personally I am ok with it.

I know DW has a history of overpaying some players and this MAY turn out to be another case after 2 years. But I feel pretty secure that it's a good number for this coming year.
Like I said, the NTC is my biggest concern here, the dollar figure is a minor issue, but it is slightly too high imo. It's not anywhere near Wallin stupidity or anything.

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Interesting to see DW's thought process. He clearly overpays for players like Carle, Mitchell, Wallin, Huskins, Blake (first 5 million was a bit much), is willing to accept contracts like Heatley's, and gets great deals for players like Couture, Pavelski, Vlasic, Burns, etc.

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Interesting to see DW's thought process. He clearly overpays for players like Carle, Mitchell, Wallin, Huskins, Blake (first 5 million was a bit much), is willing to accept contracts like Heatley's, and gets great deals for players like Couture, Pavelski, Vlasic, Burns, etc.
1. He got good deals on Couture Pavs and Vlasic by using the same logic he used to "overpay" players like Carle and Mitchell. He saw a player with promise and decided to lock them into a contract that would have been superb if the players reached the potential he saw. Its called a calculated risk. Something that he seems good at although maybe a bit too over cautious at times.

2. Blake was arguably the Sharks best D overall while he was here. He became the Captain. Getting Blake for two years for less then 8 million seems like a good deal to me. The initial 5 was simply to get him here. You have to look at the whole picture.

3. Like it or not I actually think he paid the going rate for Huskins at the time. He also needed experienced D at that time.

4. I have heard a rumor that Wilson promised Walin a two year extension in order to convince him to waive his NTC. After seeing how bad he was Wilson decided it would best to give what he promised him in one year.

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Not a UFA signing, but I was very suprised at how cheap he was able to extend Burns for.
Yeah, Burns' new deal was a rather good one. It was even more impressive that Burns hadn't even played for us yet.

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I understand what you guys are saying, but it ignores the fact that Stuart is seemingly getting worse each season. Also, he won't be paired with Lidstrom anymore which concerns me. I really would have preffered around the $3.25 range at most (assuming NTC).
I read on the Wings board (or maybe it was the thread in the Trade Forum) that Stuart, at ES, was paired with Lidstrom about 20% of the time. I don't know where to look to find that stat.

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I read on the Wings board (or maybe it was the thread in the Trade Forum) that Stuart, at ES, was paired with Lidstrom about 20% of the time. I don't know where to look to find that stat.
You can pretty much tell by looking at advanced stats. White was Lindstroms partner and before White it was Ralfalski

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I read on the Wings board (or maybe it was the thread in the Trade Forum) that Stuart, at ES, was paired with Lidstrom about 20% of the time. I don't know where to look to find that stat.
Here look at REL QOC CORSI and QOC CORSI. I'd say Kronwall was possibly paired with Lidstrom more the Stuart... I believe White was his regular partner.. You will notice that Stuarts stats are much more comparable to Kronwall than to Lidstroms. Kronwall was Stuarts regular partner

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...4+45+46+63+67#

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Yeah, Burns' new deal was a rather good one. It was even more impressive that Burns hadn't even played for us yet.
I mean, Burns is making more than Yandle... it's not a bad deal but I wouldn't call it a steal.

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Interesting to see DW's thought process. He clearly overpays for players like Carle, Mitchell, Wallin, Huskins, Blake (first 5 million was a bit much), is willing to accept contracts like Heatley's, and gets great deals for players like Couture, Pavelski, Vlasic, Burns, etc.
With the Couture's, Pavs, Vlasics, etc...I think the conversation goes like "give me some flexibility now until I have Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle off the books, then I'll give you your pay day."

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Here look at REL QOC CORSI and QOC CORSI. I'd say Kronwall was possibly paired with Lidstrom more the Stuart... I believe White was his regular partner.. You will notice that Stuarts stats are much more comparable to Kronwall than to Lidstroms. Kronwall was Stuarts regular partner

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Thanks. I thought there was some site that showed percentage of shifts taken together. I'll have to look around. I recall seeing it when we had a discussion about the %-age of time the Wellwood-Pavelski-Mitchell line played together in 2010-11.

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I mean, Burns is making more than Yandle... it's not a bad deal but I wouldn't call it a steal.
Yandle being developed by the Yotes makes a world of difference. Wilson got Burns at a high point

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Yandle being developed by the Yotes makes a world of difference. Wilson got Burns at a high point
Most excellent point, good sir. I didn't ever call Burns' contract a steal, but I do think it was a bargain.

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Yandle being developed by the Yotes makes a world of difference. Wilson got Burns at a high point
Wasn't Yandle also RFA, or am I remembering that incorrectly?

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Thanks. I thought there was some site that showed percentage of shifts taken together. I'll have to look around. I recall seeing it when we had a discussion about the %-age of time the Wellwood-Pavelski-Mitchell line played together in 2010-11.
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BRAD STUART NIKLAS KRONWALL 24.59%
NICKLAS LIDSTROM IAN WHITE 24.24%
JAKUB KINDL JONATHAN ERICSSON 9.83%
IAN WHITE KYLE QUINCEY 4.33%
MIKE COMMODORE JONATHAN ERICSSON 3.89%
JAKUB KINDL BRAD STUART 3.7%
JONATHAN ERICSSON NIKLAS KRONWALL 3.52%
NICKLAS LIDSTROM JONATHAN ERICSSON 3.32%
BRAD STUART JONATHAN ERICSSON 3.22%
BRENDAN SMITH DOUG JANIK 2.49%
IAN WHITE NIKLAS KRONWALL 2%
NICKLAS LIDSTROM BRAD STUART 1.51%
IAN WHITE JONATHAN ERICSSON 1.38%
JAKUB KINDL NIKLAS KRONWALL 1.24%
JAKUB KINDL IAN WHITE 1.08%
BRENDAN SMITH NIKLAS KRONWALL 1.05%
JAKUB KINDL KYLE QUINCEY 1%
NICKLAS LIDSTROM NIKLAS KRONWALL 0.93%
IAN WHITE BRAD STUART 0.85%
BRENDAN SMITH JAKUB KINDL 0.83%
KYLE QUINCEY JONATHAN ERICSSON 0.69%
MIKE COMMODORE NIKLAS KRONWALL 0.64%
BRAD STUART KYLE QUINCEY 0.54%
JAKUB KINDL NICKLAS LIDSTROM 0.53%
JAKUB KINDL MIKE COMMODORE 0.47%

So yes, this last season i am totally wrong. Guess I should have looked that up. heh.

Season prior though:
NICKLAS LIDSTROM BRAD STUART 20.4%
BRIAN RAFALSKI JONATHAN ERICSSON 18.14%
RUSLAN SALEI NIKLAS KRONWALL 12.71%
JAKUB KINDL RUSLAN SALEI 10.89%
NICKLAS LIDSTROM NIKLAS KRONWALL 6.55%
JONATHAN ERICSSON NIKLAS KRONWALL 5.6%
BRAD STUART NIKLAS KRONWALL 4.04%
NICKLAS LIDSTROM JONATHAN ERICSSON 3.03%
RUSLAN SALEI JONATHAN ERICSSON 2.6%
JAKUB KINDL BRIAN RAFALSKI 2.25%
NICKLAS LIDSTROM BRIAN RAFALSKI 1.91%
DOUG JANIK NIKLAS KRONWALL 1.84%
BRAD STUART JONATHAN ERICSSON 1.65%
BRIAN RAFALSKI NIKLAS KRONWALL 1.24%
RUSLAN SALEI BRIAN RAFALSKI 1.24%
BRAD STUART RUSLAN SALEI 1.17%
BRAD STUART BRIAN RAFALSKI 0.99%
JAKUB KINDL NIKLAS KRONWALL 0.95%
NICKLAS LIDSTROM RUSLAN SALEI 0.75%
JAKUB KINDL BRAD STUART 0.56%
JAKUB KINDL JONATHAN ERICSSON 0.52%
JAKUB KINDL NICKLAS LIDSTROM 0.5%
BRAD STUART DOUG JANIK 0.13%
RUSLAN SALEI DOUG JANIK 0.11%
JAKUB KINDL DOUG JANIK 0.09%

So that explains his drop in stats this season...

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So that explains his drop in stats this season...
Well, his stats are identical, he just played 14 less games.

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I mean, Burns is making more than Yandle... it's not a bad deal but I wouldn't call it a steal.

Yandle was an RFA, Burns was one year away from becoming a UFA. Big difference.

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So that explains his drop in stats this season...
Sorry if this was posted before. Drop in which stats year-over-year?

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Sorry if this was posted before. Drop in which stats year-over-year?
Advanced stuff:

2011-12:

+-QoC = .011
Corsi QoC = .187
GA on/60 = 2.15
+- on/60 = .75
Corsi Relative = -8.4
Def Zone starts = 45.7%

2010-11:


+-QoC = .099
Corsi QoC = .542
GA on/60 = 2.67
+- on/60 = .21
Corsi Relative = -13.4
Def Zone starts = 53.1%

Lidstrom effect hehe.

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If anything, his stats are better due to decreased competition.

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If anything, his stats are better due to decreased competition.
That is a significant decrease in competition and a limited gain in defense, plus his defensive zone starts tell a lot of the story.

I'd take that second set of stats any day. Hopefully he simply had a bad season, but I'm just saying it's a concern.

His numbers do not even get close to touching Vlasic's, as a for instance.

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Malholtra $700k was a UFA steal IMO.

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From Pierre LeBrun's blog...

Stuart on Monday agreed to a three-year deal worth $3.6 million a season with the Sharks, which is a bit less than what Detroit offered him in the Red Wings’ last-ditch effort to re-sign him. A source told ESPN.com that the Wings offered three-year and four-year deals both worth just north of $3.6 million. Stuart returned to San Jose for family reasons.

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