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06-19-2012, 03:25 PM
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Any rumors on possible 2nd line right wingers the caps are looking at adding in FA or trade?..obviously only if we can't get semin inked.
Not that I've heard.

I'd look at Ryan Malone, Andrei Kostitsyn, Cal Clutterbuck... maybe even Jagr on a 1-yr deal, but I don't hold grudges. Other than that...

The thing is, there aren't many qualified RWs in free agency. So they'd have to trade for one if they miss out (I don't think Galiev or Eakin will be ready as internal options). But I'd rather put the tradeable assets toward a C or LD than RW. IMO that's the last position of need to address, of the big 3.

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Bobby Ryan is available.

Green + 16th? or 11th?

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Bobby Ryan is available.

Green + 16th? or 11th?
LOL.

Yea, um...that's not gonna get it done...

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Bobby Ryan is available.

Green + 16th? or 11th?
This per McKenzie's twitter, if you hadn't seen it.

I would offer from the forward pool, not the D. Johansson+.

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LOL.

Yea, um...that's not gonna get it done...
I meant to add a plus. I am not overpaying for a left winger.

If he was a center or D-man yes but winger is not important to this team

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I meant to add a plus. I am not overpaying for a left winger.

If he was a center or D-man yes but winger is not important to this team
Yea, then we probably aren't getting Bobby Ryan...

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Yea, then we probably aren't getting Bobby Ryan...
Good, we don't need him that badly then

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06-19-2012, 04:17 PM
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Its hard for me to say the window is fully closed since we just went as far as we did when we were hitting on all cylinders. But yeah, I know what you are saying.

From the top down, we are a mess.
  • It should be acknowledged that George failed to win a cup. While being an odds on favorite to do so, with the best player in the world, dominating.
  • We don't have a coach.
  • We don't have a system or style in place, no identity.
  • We don't know which system or style would best fit our Ovi led team.
  • We are rolling two young G's.
  • Our prized prospect prefers the KHL right now.
  • The prospect pool appears very thin to me
I have to say that anyone that figured them as the odds on favorite had to be a bit blinded by hope and fandom.

They should have done better for sure....and thats not to say they couldnt have won one....but "the favorite"? not in my book.

assuming you mean the prez cup season mainly.....scoring pretty tic-tac-toe goals during the regular season means squadoosh once the real season starts

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06-19-2012, 04:32 PM
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You do notice there is no Cup in between those hands, despite having close to the near consensus best player in the world. Twice. And 15 years to make it happen. About 1/5 of your expected life!

It's not hate, its reality.
he is an average GM, not all teams can be detroit or new jersey get over it

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06-19-2012, 04:39 PM
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Ryan was rarely with Perry and Getzlaf this year so his stats were very good considering he was playing the third line, which makes you wonder how that team missed the playoffs with a 3rd liner and 2nd PP guy scoring 30 goals.

But... You gotta look at it this way: They want Alzner, MoJo, and Brouwer for him by the looks of it. I think I would actually be fine with it being something like that + 2013 1st because I really want a 2013 1st for Nichuskin.

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if GMGM actually got ryan for a fair price you would all be mad that our 2C problem is still not solved

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Ryan was rarely with Perry and Getzlaf this year so his stats were very good considering he was playing the third line, which makes you wonder how that team missed the playoffs with a 3rd liner and 2nd PP guy scoring 30 goals.

But... You gotta look at it this way: They want Alzner, MoJo, and Brouwer for him by the looks of it. I think I would actually be fine with it being something like that + 2013 1st because I really want a 2013 1st for Nichuskin.
WTF.........you would trade Alzner, MoJo and Brouwer for Bobby Ryan and a likely mid first rounder?

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Laich, #11 and a future second could get it done. Ryan has never even been a PPG player. He's good but he's no star.

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Anaheim would be trading Ryan to dump salary, not to take back overpaid crap like Green and Laich from the Caps.

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WTF.........you would trade Alzner, MoJo and Brouwer for Bobby Ryan and a likely mid first rounder?
Their losing a 3rd rounder, could end up being 1st overall.

I want Nichushkin.

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06-19-2012, 04:56 PM
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Ryan is overrated, and his supposed trade value is absurd. I wouldn't trade Alzner straight up for him. Laich + 16 + Eakin. (Not that they would do it.) Eakin is probably worth more in a trade than he ever will be as an NHL player. Or at least he was a year ago.

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Their losing a 3rd rounder, could end up being 1st overall.

I want Nichushkin.
Seriously, do you think about things before you post them? That's the worst trade I've seen in weeks.

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I want our center and D issues resolved first

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I don't know why McPhee wouldn't be dangling Boudreau's tickle-buddy Mike Green for Bobby Ryan.

Heartbeat.

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06-19-2012, 05:23 PM
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Seriously, do you think about things before you post them? That's the worst trade I've seen in weeks.
I don't think I did think, because that post you quote doesn't really make any sense, nor do I remember posting it.

It was really sort of sarcastic and it was funny seeing a Ducks fan saying it was bad and I should be embarrassed.

In the end though if the Caps were to get Nichushkin with that 2013 1st, its a good deal if Nichushkin is the type of player I believe he is, he is compared to Malkin, but its a stupid comparison, hes a lot like Ovechkin.

Karlsson signed for 7 at 6m possibly, nutty deal, kid hasn't proved himself completely.

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06-19-2012, 05:36 PM
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Yes, the caption is wrong, it's pretty obvious comparing that to a picture of Voynov. If you can't tell the difference, I suggest you start using braille.

That's not even the only site using that picture with it captioned as Voynov.
http://www.timesleader.com/stories/K...tential,162805


But whatever, let's agree to disagree about that damn picture. It's getting old.

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You mean players that played in the minors or lesser leagues well into their 20s and didn't play in the NHL until they were ready to play?
Kesler was in the NHL on a division winner at age 19. He then spent the lock-out in the AHL afterwards, but as soon as the NHL was back in action he was full time in the NHL.
Pavelski spent a grand total of 16 games in the AHL before joining the Sharks and spent his development time in the bottom six (where, according to you, top six skilled guys shouldn't be developing).
Franzen spent one more year in Sweden after he was drafted, and then jumped straight to Detroit. In other words, exactly what Johansson did.

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Johansson should have been in Hershey until he proved he was ready. Perreault wasn't any less effective than Johansson this season, yet he was never given the same chances.
Perreault was certainly less effective than Johansson and has never shown the ability to translate his game to the wing position, either. If you don't like Johansson's board work, I don't know how on Earth you're defending Perreault who gets creamed along the edges of the rink.

More over, do you really think Hershey was an option for Johansson. First off, if you're putting up 40+ points in the NHL, odds are that you're NHL ready and the AHL isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. Besides that, what makes you think that Johansson wanted to play in Hershey any more than Sjogren? If Seguin was too good to send back to Juniors, how would Johansson not be too good to send back to Sweden?

And you didn't actually address why you felt that the decisions were made based on development. The actions taken with Eakin and Orlov certainly seem to indicate that the coaches and management weren't making decisions based on development, but rather based on who they felt was best suited to help the team win.

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That's why it wasn't a very good team. Why do you think Alzner spent significant time in Hershey when the defense had roster players like Morrisonn and TFS?
Because ShaMo (who isn't bad for a 3rd pairing guy, just got a way too big contract for that role in Buffalo), Jurcina, Erskine, etc. were all on one-way contracts. And the openings, at the time, were on the right side of the defense rather than the left. And in the time Alzner spent in the NHL (mostly on the right side), he didn't look that great.

Not every player needs to follow the exact same development path.

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Perreault is definitely better than Johansson on the boards IMO.

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It's Alec ****ing Martinez.

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It's Alec ****ing Martinez.


Let's ask a Kings fan and end the arguement.

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he is an average GM, not all teams can be detroit or new jersey get over it
I never said he was a bad GM. I am just burned out on him. And his tight to the vest style, afraid to take a big risk, or move a single big prospect. He has more than gotten a fair shake here. Not only that, I am very disappointed in the on ice product purely from an entertainment level. We are all here for the entertainment.

I suspect some posters here could do as well as he does. Hockey is not a complex sport as he implies.

His best coaching move, was an interim hire


@Mothra, I am pretty sure the so called experts picked us as the preseason favorite to win the cup - maybe even this past season.


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