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06-19-2012, 08:39 AM
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Put em on a line with Giroux (93 pts) and Hartnell (37 goals), feed em PP time and ease up on their defensive responsibilities and I'd bet half of those guys could do as well and for cheaper- hell, Wheeler put up 60+ last year when he got a system and a line that played to his offense.

Also he was an absolute ghost in the NJ series- and those are really the only types of games we'd will need him for.
You think it was coincidence that both Hartnell & Giroux had career years the one season they have Jagr on their wing?

The playoffs are a special teams battle, if anybody thinks the Bruins will win the Cup again w/ an enimic PP (as in 2011) they are kidding themselves. Boston needs a PP, going w/ the same players/ same ole game plan wont cut it. Are we to just hope the PP will magically improve? Even if Jagr slows down towards the playoffs, Julien can give less TOI, keep him fresh, toss him out there every PP. IF he isnt cutting the mustard, you sit him in press box and bring out the uber talented Benoit Pouliot and watch him score high-lite reel goals

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I`d rather have Sharpe than Kane
Maybe he's referring to Evander Kane?

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Maybe he's referring to Evander Kane?
oh, could be one of 1000 responses where I have had to say "my bad" if so

I`d still take Sharp over Pat Kane

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You think it was coincidence that both Hartnell & Giroux had career years the one season they have Jagr on their wing?

The playoffs are a special teams battle, if anybody thinks the Bruins will win the Cup again w/ an enimic PP (as in 2011) they are kidding themselves. Boston needs a PP, going w/ the same players/ same ole game plan wont cut it. Are we to just hope the PP will magically improve? Even if Jagr slows down towards the playoffs, Julien can give less TOI, keep him fresh, toss him out there every PP. IF he isnt cutting the mustard, you sit him in press box and bring out the uber talented Benoit Pouliot and watch him score high-lite reel goals
No more a coincidence than it being Jagr's lowest pt production of his career in the NHL. I'm not saying the guys worthless- he just won't be worth what it would take to sign him. There are desperate teams out there that he'd be worth more to than he would be to boston as a PP specialist and third liner.

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I dont really think Jagr had anything to do with the emergence of Giroux...The kid has been waiting to fully break out since 2010. I think it was more of just finally hitting that point. he's a monster.

Jagr would be a great addition and probably have good chemistry with Krejci...but I don't think in any way does he push Krejci passed the normal 50-60 points.
To watch he and Krejci do nothing but play pass the puck between one another would drive fans nuts here

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No more a coincidence than it being Jagr's lowest pt production of his career in the NHL. I'm not saying the guys worthless- he just won't be worth what it would take to sign him. There are desperate teams out there that he'd be worth more to than he would be to boston as a PP specialist and third liner.
I dont agree w that statement (bolded).

Assuming Chia doesnt sign Parise or Suter, & doesnt trade 2 or 3 of his core players for an overpaid Nash, why not take a flier on Jagr? The capspace is there, if they have to overpay buy 500k to get him than so be it, it wont hinder Chia from making other improvements to the roster. Jagr is a better option than Pouliot or Caron at the moment. Id rather have $4m Jagr in B's top-9, than have $1.5m Pouliot in top-9 and extra cap space just sitting there in Jacobs pockets.

Disclaimer: I would rather Chia sign Ray Whitney before Jagr, but I feel every offseason us B's fans are clamoring for Whitney & it never happens, so I wont hold my breath this offseason.

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06-19-2012, 09:12 AM
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I dont agree w that statement (bolded).

Assuming Chia doesnt sign Parise or Suter, & doesnt trade 2 or 3 of his core players for an overpaid Nash, why not take a flier on Jagr? The capspace is there, if they have to overpay buy 500k to get him than so be it, it wont hinder Chia from making other improvements to the roster. Jagr is a better option than Pouliot or Caron at the moment. Id rather have $4m Jagr in B's top-9, than have $1.5m Pouliot in top-9 and extra cap space just sitting there in Jacobs pockets.

Disclaimer: I would rather Chia sign Ray Whitney before Jagr, but I feel every offseason us B's fans are clamoring for Whitney & it never happens, so I wont hold my breath this offseason.
Hey, to each his own. I'd prefer having the space to make a move at the deadline rather than giving Jagr 4 mi and boxing out Knight and Caron.

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I dont agree w that statement (bolded).

Assuming Chia doesnt sign Parise or Suter, & doesnt trade 2 or 3 of his core players for an overpaid Nash, why not take a flier on Jagr? The capspace is there, if they have to overpay buy 500k to get him than so be it, it wont hinder Chia from making other improvements to the roster. Jagr is a better option than Pouliot or Caron at the moment. Id rather have $4m Jagr in B's top-9, than have $1.5m Pouliot in top-9 and extra cap space just sitting there in Jacobs pockets.

Disclaimer: I would rather Chia sign Ray Whitney before Jagr, but I feel every offseason us B's fans are clamoring for Whitney & it never happens, so I wont hold my breath this offseason.
So is it more about what would be best for the team as a whole or about how much the Jacobs family has in their 'pockets' for ya??

I`m comfortable stating that I don`t see the Jacobs family in anywhere near the same light as I once did. That doesn`t mean I have absolved them of all their past personel indescretions, but they have shown that they are more than willing to spend if and when it needed

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No thanks. Recchi was a hard worker, role model for the younger guys and a leader, Jagr is none of those things.

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Pasted from the other thread, my take:

t's funny how out of sync I am with these boards. I was a huge Jagr defender for so many years and now I'm that it's realistic I think I've soured. Hey, I wouldn't cry about it, I'd be excited and it would be a good litmus test for Krejci for him to have a winger of his choosing right before his NTC kicks in. But I'm just not sure where Jaromir's head is at these days. Does he still want to prove to the world that he's the best winger of his generation and then some? Does he long for a cup because he was 20 last time he won one and would happily buy into Claude's system? Or does he just love the hockey lifestyle and has more gambling debts and overhead than people already know about and he just wants to make money until he literally can't skate anymore.

But if the Bruins are intent on keeping all of the core and most of the complimentary players together for the foreseeable future, then Jagr would be a fascinating addition that wouldn't hamper the short or long-term development of the team. I just foresee a lot of excitement only to find that a gun-shy Horton is still a better player at this stage. I know he had 54 points last season but IMO, not scoring 20 goals with Claude Giroux is actually a stain on your record, not an accomplishment.

I'm cautiously intrigued.

Also, I agree that a quality younger player would be better, but those types of guys typically cost assets to acquire and sign long-term deals. Chia is very gun-shy about the cap and having to re-sign his top 3 goal scorers after this season.

Plus, the option of having a quality younger player take a spot is already there. Caron, Knight, Spooner & Koko will get their shots to prove they belong with this core. I don't see the harm in signing a short-term bridge like Jagr....just don't think it should be Jagr himself.
I would be willing to bet the latter case scenario. If he cared he would have taken a discount with the Flyers, instead he asked for as much as he could get.

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No thanks. Recchi was a hard worker, role model for the younger guys and a leader, Jagr is none of those things.
Not according to his teammates last year....People change.

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No thanks. Recchi was a hard worker, role model for the younger guys and a leader, Jagr is none of those things.
I read/heard many reports that Jagr was in fact well respected, worked hard both on and off the ice this past season and was, in fact, a very positive role model/influence on the kids??? Still doesn`t make me want him in a Bruins uni but....not 100% true what you say is accurate with all due respect

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I'm so torn on this. On the one hand, Jagr fills me with the rage of 1000 suns and makes me want to kick puppies when he does his stupid salute after he scores. Not sure why, but it just gets on my nerves. On the other hand, I can't help but think he would help the powerplay at the very least...

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Not according to his teammates last year....People change.
Yep, see Savvy and the rep that followed him all the way up to his time in a spoked B uni

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Yep, see Savvy and the rep that followed him all the way up to his time in a spoked B uni
He's not my first choice by any means, but after hearing the Flyers team as a whole praise him, and seeing the type of seasons his linemates had if Chia wanted to go the JJ route, I'm all for it...

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So is it more about what would be best for the team as a whole or about how much the Jacobs family has in their 'pockets' for ya??

I`m comfortable stating that I don`t see the Jacobs family in anywhere near the same light as I once did. That doesn`t mean I have absolved them of all their past personel indescretions, but they have shown that they are more than willing to spend if and when it needed
I am by no means taking aim at Jacobs family, i agree that they've shown they are committed to putting a winning product on the ice. I just see available capspace (Savard LTIR, Thomas traded, etc..) that Chiarelli should be wisely looking to use up (wisely meaning short term deals imo). Smyth, Jagr, Whitney, Selanne, these are perfects fits for the Bruins need of a top-9 wing, neither of these guys is looking for long term deals, which fits perfectly into Chia's window. Id hate to see Chia not make an addition in the hopes that Pouliot will hold his own on the 3rd line (i like Poo). The opportunity & cap space is there, make a play Chia. Heck sign Whitney or Jagr AND Pouliot. As a fan I dont want to see $5m in cap space, an injury to our top-9, & be forced to go with the likes of Trent Whitfield or Max Sauve as replacements. When GM's know you're desperate to acquire, they will look to take advantage. Be proactive Chia, not reactive.

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Tyler Seguin had a better all around season last year at 19 than Kessel ever had in Boston. He has more skill than every player you listed, including Savvy (IMO).

IMO Pevvy is not a great "skilled" player. Great wheels, very versatile but his finish is always in question. He is a PERFECT third liner, maybe one of the best in the league. Marchand has a chance. I think he can get 30/70 in this league consistently. He has to be a pain in the ass but not an idiot, a fine line to walk.

I think we have a lot of skill on this team. Krech is a pretty skilled guy. Seguin is HIGHLY skilled, he's going to b a 35 goal/90 point guy for a decade. Marchand is skilled. Lucic brings a skill set EVERY team in the league wants. Nate brings a similar skill set but I have doubts about him and his PCS and Bergy is skilled.

This team is about more than "skill". Hard work, attitude and grit are important. We have enough skill to win a Cup again.
Sorry to clarify, I meant... "flashy" (?) perhaps. Peverly gets it, he brings the puck up with speed, same with Marchand. Lucic, Horton, Krejci, etc lumber up the ice with it usually.

I wasn't trying to take away from Seguin for sure... but when comparing him to 08-09 Kessel I still think he isn't quite there yet (then again, Kessel had Savard then which makes a HUGE difference). This year I think will be Seguins real big year where he is able to take over a game more than be a passenger on the Bergy-Marchand line where he gets the points.

My point is still, we need more "skill" players. As you said, guys like Horton and Krejci have skill... but still aren't true flashy game changers. A big name (not overpaid like Nash) who doesn't always have to worry about defense would be nice, in addition to Seguin and every other Bruin we already have now.

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Hey, to each his own. I'd prefer having the space to make a move at the deadline rather than giving Jagr 4 mi and boxing out Knight and Caron.
I'd rather we fill the need now for free via free agency than wait until trade deadline to massively overpay. As someone said, proactive, not reactive. Let's get it so come deadline, we only actually need a Zanon or Rolston type, not that we have to settle for that.

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Not according to his teammates last year....People change.
How many rookies played for the Flyers last season? 7?
And to whom did they look up? My guess is Jagr.

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To watch he and Krejci do nothing but play pass the puck between one another would drive fans nuts here
True but it'd be a nice change from watching them either dump the puck in and not retrieve it, or watch them spend 40 seconds trying to set up a Chara slapper or a one-timer from either a guy with no shot (Bergeron) or a guy like Corvo who couldn't hit sand if he fell off a camel.

In all honesty the power play is an embarrassment. I'd almost rather watch Krejci and Jagr try to pass the puck until it goes in the net somehow. The alternatives are even worse.

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I'd rather we fill the need now for free via free agency than wait until trade deadline to massively overpay. As someone said, proactive, not reactive. Let's get it so come deadline, we only actually need a Zanon or Rolston type, not that we have to settle for that.
THIS!!!

I don't get why so many people here think we are fine and should just wait till the deadline. How did that work out last year? Epic Fail.

The deadline is not the time to upgrade for a cup run, it's the time to overpay for a rental that will struggle to fit in chemistry wise in such short time.

I'd rather sign THE guy now, give him a full season to learn our system and build chemistry with his teammates and address our immediate problems.

Anyone who thinks we are still a cup favourite is sorely mistaken. Ryder and Recchi have never been replaced, Thomas is gone and our powerplay is still awful. Those are some major concerns in my books, that need addressing before the season starts. Not to mention all the other teams around us have improved.

What worked in 2011 did not work in 2012 nor should we expect it to work in 2013. In my opinion on paper we still aren't even as good as the cup team.

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I'd rather sign him now too but I honestly feel we have a better chance of seeing Parise than Jagr. Kind of like a 1% chance for Parise and 0% for Jagr. I just don't think he's a Chia type of player, whether I agree with him or not.

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I'd rather sign him now too but I honestly feel we have a better chance of seeing Parise than Jagr. Kind of like a 1% chance for Parise and 0% for Jagr. I just don't think he's a Chia type of player, whether I agree with him or not.
Forget Chia, I bet Cam threw up in his mouth at the suggestion

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I'd rather we fill the need now for free via free agency than wait until trade deadline to massively overpay. As someone said, proactive, not reactive. Let's get it so come deadline, we only actually need a Zanon or Rolston type, not that we have to settle for that.
See, I would consider signing Jagr at 4 mil to be a reactive move. Proactive is creating a place for competition and developing players to contribute. Caron should be good for an NHL role and guys like Knight and Bourque should be allowed to compete for a spot as well. It also allows the team flexibility to add a big contract at the deadline when the teams needs may be different than they are now as a result of injuries and life in general.

That's more proactive than looking at a middle of the road PP and running out to overspend for a guy who was an elite goal scorer 5 years ago.

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