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06-19-2012, 02:59 PM
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Toronto - Montreal

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Cody Franson (RFA) + TML 1st round pick (5th)

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Montreals first round pick (3rd)

reasoning: Montreal acquires a right handed dman to play along Markov/Gorges on the 2nd pairing, and only moves down 2 picks. Franson should be signed for cheap, is turning 25 years old, and stands 6'5.

Toronto does this they can choose (ideally) between Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Forsberg. And with the emergence of Holzer and in the future Blacker, Percy etc. They free up cap space and a roster spot.

Fair? Unfair? to much from Toronto? to much from Montreal?

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06-19-2012, 03:02 PM
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to Montreal

Cody Franson (RFA) + TML 1st round pick (5th)

to Toronto

Montreals first round pick (3rd)

reasoning: Montreal acquires a right handed dman to play along Markov/Gorges on the 2nd pairing, and only moves down 2 picks. Franson should be signed for cheap, is turning 25 years old, and stands 6'5.

Toronto does this they can choose (ideally) between Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Forsberg. And with the emergence of Holzer and in the future Blacker, Percy etc. They free up cap space and a roster spot.

Fair? Unfair? to much from Toronto? to much from Montreal?
No deal from MTL, obviously.

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06-19-2012, 03:03 PM
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As a Habs fan I'm very happy staying pat with the #3 pick. It would have to be something crazy like two high top 10 picks for me to consider trading it away.

No thanks.

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to Montreal

Cody Franson (RFA) + TML 1st round pick (5th)

to Toronto

Montreals first round pick (3rd)

reasoning: Montreal acquires a right handed dman to play along Markov/Gorges on the 2nd pairing, and only moves down 2 picks. Franson should be signed for cheap, is turning 25 years old, and stands 6'5.

Toronto does this they can choose (ideally) between Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Forsberg. And with the emergence of Holzer and in the future Blacker, Percy etc. They free up cap space and a roster spot.

Fair? Unfair? to much from Toronto? to much from Montreal?
Montreal have absolutely no need for Franson, who is not a 2nd pairing D by the way. They would like to have their choice of Galchenyuk/Griogorenko/Forsberg at #3 though.

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06-19-2012, 03:04 PM
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to Montreal

Cody Franson (RFA) + TML 1st round pick (5th)

to Toronto

Montreals first round pick (3rd)

reasoning: Montreal acquires a right handed dman to play along Markov/Gorges on the 2nd pairing, and only moves down 2 picks. Franson should be signed for cheap, is turning 25 years old, and stands 6'5.

Toronto does this they can choose (ideally) between Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Forsberg. And with the emergence of Holzer and in the future Blacker, Percy etc. They free up cap space and a roster spot.

Fair? Unfair? to much from Toronto? to much from Montreal?
Montreal passes if Galchenyuk is available.

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06-19-2012, 03:06 PM
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Thanks but no thanks. If the Habs trade their 1rst pick I think it's gonna be for Brent Seabrook. I would like to give a roster player for Franson. We look for a deal around Weber/Diaz plus late round pick

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Pass. Franson doesn't really interest me.

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Yeah, it would have to be something other than Franson. Habs need a hard-rock D, not the Franson type. But I could imagine a scenario where the Habs would be willing to swap #3-#5... for me it would be if Yakupov/Galchenyuk went #1-2 and I knew the lay of the land on draft day wrt who Toronto and the Isles would take... but given all that draft floor info, if I knew the guy I wanted at #3 was going to be there at #5, sure I'd cheerfully pick up a little something and move down. It's a realistic scenario IMHO. Just that Franson would have essentially zero value in the equation and not be the "little something" that would do it.

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Bergevin says 'Nope'

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06-19-2012, 03:19 PM
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No interest in Franson. Pass.

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Awww hell no.

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I would offer Weber/Diaz for Franson. That's about all i would give up for him. Just not sold at all on Franson.

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06-19-2012, 03:41 PM
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to Montreal

Cody Franson (RFA) + TML 1st round pick (5th)

to Toronto

Montreals first round pick (3rd)

reasoning: Montreal acquires a right handed dman to play along Markov/Gorges on the 2nd pairing, and only moves down 2 picks. Franson should be signed for cheap, is turning 25 years old, and stands 6'5.

Toronto does this they can choose (ideally) between Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Forsberg. And with the emergence of Holzer and in the future Blacker, Percy etc. They free up cap space and a roster spot.

Fair? Unfair? to much from Toronto? to much from Montreal?
Role back on these boards 2 months ago and Montreal was a lock to pick Grigorenko. He was touted as a possible number 1. No way could Toronto draft the big rangy center -- they were stuck with the injured Galy.

3rd - 5th whos cares? Don't want Murray ok we'll take him. Draft Galy ok -- Forsberg. No Forsberg Grigorenko or TT. There are 8 guys in the top 5 right now with little separating them.

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06-19-2012, 03:44 PM
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It really depends on who Montreal wants and how high they are on them. I just don't see Franson as the guy to get them to move though. It would need to be a 2nd round pick at least IMO. It could be the difference between Montreal getting their guy or not getting the guy they want.

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06-19-2012, 03:45 PM
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lol, moving up there is more expensive than a healthy scratch.

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06-19-2012, 03:47 PM
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Your reasoning is wrong, and the value is... bad.

Montreal doesn't need a right-handed shooter. That's subban's job. Montreal needs a left-handed shot at the point if anything.

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As a Habs fan I'm very happy staying pat with the #3 pick. It would have to be something crazy like two high top 10 picks for me to consider trading it away.

No thanks.
Two high top ten picks for one high top ten pick? Unless I misunderstood what you were trying to say, that makes almost as little sense as the proposal. Anyways, I don't see why Montreal would make this trade. Franson isn't anything special and they would rather have their choice of forwards then give that option to their rival for a #4/#5 dman.

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This is something that on HF will never pan out, Montreal will always say no. BUT, we do not know what teams are interested in who and all the behind closed door conversations. In my opinion IF Montreal moves down to #5, this is the kind of package we may expect to see. Not because this is what has been needed in the past to move up this high in the draft, but because there is still a lot of uncertainty past Yakupov. It seems everyone has a different order for the players between #2 to #5+. If Montreal is confident they will still get the guy they want at #5, they certainly would take #5 + Franson for #3 since they pick up Franson for nothing. If Montreal thinks Toronto/Islanders may take who they want (Dudley says hi) no chance they do this trade.

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lol, moving up there is more expensive than a healthy scratch.
lol. Franson would be like your 3rd best "D"

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06-19-2012, 04:01 PM
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"Let me trade you the defensman we don't want, for your much better draft pick."

Sure there isn't much separating the 2-5, but the ability to pick who u want out of those four players is valuable in itself.

Looking at the roster of the Habs tho, Franson might be a decent target for them no? Hardly worth moving down two spots, but hed be a nice addition I think.

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lol. Franson would be like your 3rd best "D"
Not really. He'd be played with Markov, or Gorges to babysit him if he was in the lineup.

Once Markov got more into the flow of the game Franson would probably play with him and look competent. Hab fans would say we ripped you off, Leaf fans would say Burke is an idiot, but in reality, Franson would only be better because of Markov. Otherwise, he'd still suck and be a 5-6 guy on any team.

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lol. Franson would be like your 3rd best "D"
ahahha funny dude. Don't quit your day job...

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lol. Franson would be like your 3rd best "D"
Subban, Gorges, Markov? Arent Diaz and Emelin good as well?

Not sure going down two spots and risking who you want to get is worth acquiring a bottom pairing RFA d man. Like I said above tho, Franson may be an asset theyd look into.

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Subban, Gorges, Markov? Arent Diaz and Emelin good as well?

Not sure going down two spots and risking who you want to get is worth acquiring a bottom pairing RFA d man. Like I said above tho, Franson may be an asset theyd look into.
Franson was healthy scrath at some point last season....He's a 6 or 7 defenceman and nothing more....

Subban
Gorges
Markov
Emelin
Kaberle

Franson
Diaz

To OP No thanks, will take Forsberg or Galchenyuk with the 3rd OV.

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Montreal have no need for Franson... They'll keep their 1st. And since when scrums are involved in a moveup situation

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