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Lidstrom vs Pronger

View Poll Results: If you could pick 1 player in their prime for 1 cup run who would it be?
Pronger 57 32.57%
Lidstrom 118 67.43%
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06-19-2012, 04:33 AM
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One Norris vs seven Norrisses.

Uhm...

Lidstrom is better at everything than taking stupid penalties.

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06-19-2012, 06:05 AM
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Lidstrom has never even been the best player on his own team. You put Lidstrom on St Louis or Edmonton he would of been lucky just to make an all star team.

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06-19-2012, 06:52 AM
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I'd like the big mean Pronger.

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Lidstrom has never even been the best player on his own team. You put Lidstrom on St Louis or Edmonton he would of been lucky just to make an all star team.
He's still arguably a top 5 d-man in history...

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I would disagree that Pronger took stupid penalties.

Most of his penalties were of the "investment" variety. Try to cut to the middle and WHACK, right between the glove and the elbow pad. Stand in front of the net and WHACK right on the ankles. Try to finish your check and boom butt-end three inches into the gut.

Refs aren't gonna call everything, so your choice is to try one of these things, possibly be injured and hope for, at most, a 2 minute powerplay or, well, not do these things and deal with the fact that you've got bad options against a player who he had the largest wing-span (this is before Chara started to be effective) and was one of the best stickcheckers ever. And if you turn the puck over, his breakout pass was, basically, as perfect as they get (something that would become even more obvious later in his career once the red line was removed).

The year Pronger won the Hart, he played a whopping 2300 minutes (that's over half a game played per game played). There was no avoiding him. No getting a favorable matchup.

In his prime, he was more effective than Lidstrom, though his true "prime" (about 18 months) was much much shorter than Lidstrom's (whose prime lasted something like 10 years).
The guy was considered one of the biggest postseason chokers in the NHL before the lockout, mostly because of his inclination to take bad penalties. It took a lot of luster off his Hart season to see him constantly put his team down in the playoffs that year

He certainly turned around that perception fast with his performances after the lockout. But I wouldnt call getting himself suspended twice during Anaheim's 2007 playoff run "taking calculated risks."

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06-19-2012, 09:46 AM
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Lidstrom has never even been the best player on his own team. You put Lidstrom on St Louis or Edmonton he would of been lucky just to make an all star team.
You may get eaten alive for this but it's true. It's amazing the power the winged wheel possesses. Same story with Datsyuk.

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06-19-2012, 09:53 AM
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As much as I want to say Lidstrom, I think I take Pronger's snarl and physicallity if were talking a single playoff run in their primes. Lidstrom was the better player, but Pronger's intimidating style of play can in the post season is very valuable. I know you can easily refute this stat with Lidstrom's resume, but Pronger has made 3 different finals appearances with 3 different teams, that's no coincidence.

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The guy was considered one of the biggest postseason chokers in the NHL before the lockout, mostly because of his inclination to take bad penalties. It took a lot of luster off his Hart season to see him constantly put his team down in the playoffs that year

He certainly turned around that perception fast with his performances after the lockout. But I wouldnt call getting himself suspended twice during Anaheim's 2007 playoff run "taking calculated risks."
Yzerman was considered one of the biggest post-season chokers until he won too. History certainly frowns on that perception, doesn't it?

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I think history will be unkind to Pronger. The 1 norris will hurt him. But for any fan who lived through the 90's and 2000's know how dominant he really was.

I like lidstrom. His place in history is safe. He will go down as one of the greatest Dmen ever. However he did have the fortune of playing with one of the best franchises , during an amazing streak of dominance. Pronger did not have that. I also think lidstrom won a couple of norris trophies on reputation rather actually deserving it.

Pronger may be the smartest player i have ever seen. His alpha male prescence gives his teammates confidence in their game , that they dont have to worry about much cause they know he has their back. Something like that can't be calculated on a stat sheet. I witnessed it first hand on the flyers. His prescence on the ice gave his teammates and d partner so much confidence that they performed better than expected. He is one of the few Dmen ive ever seen that makes his Teammates so much better.

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06-19-2012, 12:12 PM
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For one playoff one there should not be any Lidstrom AINEC.

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Lidstrom for one game, one week, one season, forever...

The only players I would take over Lidstrom has to be a Ray Bourque or Bobby Orr type.

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Pronger had a "louder" more in-your-face style than Lidstrom. But it wasn't better.

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Lidstrom has never even been the best player on his own team. You put Lidstrom on St Louis or Edmonton he would of been lucky just to make an all star team.
Lidstrom has been the back bone of the Detroit defense for pretty much his entire career? Whether or not he was better than some Red Wing forwards is debatable; but also completely irrelevant. If you think comparing him to other Detroit players carries any weight at least compare him to others in his position.

Lidstrom's success isn't a product of playing in Detroit, infact Lidstrom is probably the biggest reason why so many players found success in Detroit.

If I wanted to make highlight reels with big hits I take Pronger, if I want to win the Stanley Cup I take Lidstrom.

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Lidstrom has never even been the best player on his own team. You put Lidstrom on St Louis or Edmonton he would of been lucky just to make an all star team.
What is this?

Lidstrom was the best player on the Wings for over a decade, at least. Only Howe is ahead of Lidstrom in terms of all time greatest Red Wings... (By that I mean all time best players, because Yzerman is certainly more iconic and beloved in Detroit, but he was not a better player than Lidstrom...)

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For 1 cup run, both playing like they did at their peak, who I take would depend on what the officiating is like. Pre-lockout style, I'd take Pronger. Couple years post lockout, Lidstrom. Now, Pronger again.

Both fantastic Dmen, but I feel like Pronger had a higher (albeit shorter) peak than Lidstrom did. Outside of actual defensive capability, I also feel like Pronger got into his opponents' heads more due to his brutal aggression and shananigans (like stealing whoever's first-goal puck in that one playoffs a couple years ago)

For most other comparisons between the two, I'd pick Lidstrom, for what it's worth...

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Lidstrom. Hes a beast. And prongers a ****** bag.
I'd take a d-bag on my team if he's a good a player as Pronger is. his personality wouldn't be a reason for me to not choose him.

for me, it's a tough choice.
I don't like the guy, but I think I have to go with Pronger.

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One Norris vs seven Norrisses.

Uhm...

Lidstrom is better at everything than taking stupid penalties.
Lidstrom is also benefited by the fact awards are often given by reputation and popularity.

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I take Lidstrom for one season, one run, one round, one game, one period, one shift. You name it, Lidstrom is my choice for it.

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Lidstrom is also benefited by the fact awards are often given by reputation and popularity.
The same "fact" worked to his disadvantage in the 90s, when no "soft Euro" was allowed to win the Norris.

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Lidstrom, can't believe it's this close to be honest

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Lidstrom has never even been the best player on his own team. You put Lidstrom on St Louis or Edmonton he would of been lucky just to make an all star team.

There is so much ignorance here that it sickens me.

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One Norris vs seven Norrisses.
You can't win seven Norris trophies in one Stanley Cup run...

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