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06-18-2012, 08:08 PM
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I must say the write-ups about the prospects on the website are disappointing. They're all overflowing with positives and don't contain negatives. If you went by just the write-ups, there's not a single can't miss prospect in the top 30.

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06-18-2012, 08:12 PM
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I must say the write-ups about the prospects on the website are disappointing. They're all overflowing with positives and don't contain negatives. If you went by just the write-ups, there's not a single can't miss prospect in the top 30.
Its interesting too because the midterm ones seemed extremely negative.

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06-18-2012, 08:13 PM
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Someone is going to get the best player in this draft at 12. Grigs is by far the most talented forward of this draft.

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06-18-2012, 08:14 PM
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I must say the write-ups about the prospects on the website are disappointing. They're all overflowing with positives and don't contain negatives. If you went by just the write-ups, there's not a single can't miss prospect in the top 30.
Grigorenko 12th pick -

Posesses amazing talent level that rivals the 1st pick Yakupov but with an amazing 2 way play, but is a lazy russian who bothers to play every 5th game so he will drop to 12th..

Maybe its better to have only positives..

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06-18-2012, 08:15 PM
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I must say the write-ups about the prospects on the website are disappointing. They're all overflowing with positives and don't contain negatives. If you went by just the write-ups, there's not a single can't miss prospect in the top 30.
Agreed. That, and they were written by Craig Button whose rankings are all over the place.

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06-18-2012, 08:20 PM
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Wasnt the last surefire top prospect to suddenly fall out of favor Cam Fowler?
Except Fowler was ranked 5th on Bob Mckenzie's list in 2010, but dropped because teams passed up on him. Grigorenko is 12th, but very well may be picked a lot earlier. Different scenarios.

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06-18-2012, 08:25 PM
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That they get caught up in the what have you done for me lately just as much as the average person on HF.

See Teravainen, Reinhart, Maatta, and Grigorenko.
There's been concerns about Grigorenko's consistency, compete level etc all year.

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I'll be interested to see the Honorable Mentions if they are released. Right now, they've only got the top 60 up.
What do you think about Wilson being the 1st Ontario born on his list? I know you have him 3rd.

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6 dmen in the top 10....


Im glad scouts dont think Thrower and Pelech are top 30....

Hope the Isles have them both as possiblities...

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06-18-2012, 08:47 PM
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Pontus Aberg at 37, dang.

This is gonna be one ****ed up draft...I COULDN'T BE MORE EXCITED!

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Interesting about how Girgorenko's rank came together:

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NHL Central Scouting: 3 NAS, International Scouting Services: No. 4, The Hockey News: No. 3, Button's Ranking: No. 20
So if Button's Ranking weren't that low, Grigorenko would have been a Top 5 ranked player. Did Grigorenko pop Button's daugther's cherry or why the discrepancy here?

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Interesting about how Girgorenko's rank came together:



So if Button's Ranking weren't that low, Grigorenko would have been a Top 5 ranked player. Did Grigorenko pop Button's daugther's cherry or why the discrepancy here?
Button's hated grig since day one, he thinks his potential is a poor mans Bozak at best.

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06-18-2012, 08:52 PM
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Interesting about how Girgorenko's rank came together:



So if Button's Ranking weren't that low, Grigorenko would have been a Top 5 ranked player. Did Grigorenko pop Button's daugther's cherry or why the discrepancy here?
Those rankings have nothing to do with McKenzie's. He polls 10 anonymous scouts.

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06-18-2012, 08:53 PM
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Grigorenko just intentionally sucked the last portion of season just to get drafted by Washington Going as planned..
yea just what they need... another highly skilled, enigma russian.

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06-18-2012, 08:57 PM
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Those rankings have nothing to do with McKenzie's. He polls 10 anonymous scouts.
Damn I keep forgetting that. I stand corrected.

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06-18-2012, 08:58 PM
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not suprised with reinhart at 4. rumours out there saying edmonton wanna take him at 1. would be crazy in my opinion. but who knows.

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06-18-2012, 09:01 PM
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not suprised with reinhart at 4. rumours out there saying edmonton wanna take him at 1. would be crazy in my opinion. but who knows.
That would be stupid considering there is very little (IMO) between Reinhart and Maata.

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06-18-2012, 09:07 PM
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Button's hated grig since day one, he thinks his potential is a poor mans Bozak at best.
Pretty much. The difference between Button and others who aren't keen on him are different: most see the red flags, Button simply does not think he's that talented.

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06-18-2012, 09:42 PM
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not suprised with reinhart at 4. rumours out there saying edmonton wanna take him at 1. would be crazy in my opinion. but who knows.
Would anyone be surprised if NYI took him at 4? Would it be crazy? Does this ranking make that less crazy? Is that crazy?

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06-18-2012, 09:56 PM
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Without regards to the teams picking, this is understandable. But if Grigorenko falls to Washington, there's no way they don't draft him.

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06-18-2012, 10:01 PM
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I think the only reason Edmonton interviewed Reinhart was in case they traded picks with Toronto. Reinhart would then be available at #5 while Murray wouldn't.

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06-18-2012, 10:05 PM
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It's pathetic how that goof's ranking dragged him down that far.
That's not how it works. They don't just take the average. Bob talks to 10 scouts and basis the rankings off their rankings.

If anything, we should be giving Button credit for calling Grigorenko's fall well before anyone else. He's been saying all season that he didn't think Grigorenko should be in the mix for the top 10(nevermind #1 like he was a few months ago).

Also, Button was probably the only guy to call the top 8 last season. Everyone mocked and bashed him when he had Landeskog going 2nd, Larsson 4th, Scheifele 7th and Couturier 8th.

He's extremely annoying and I hate listening to him...but he doesn't deserve any hate right now.

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06-18-2012, 10:06 PM
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It's pathetic how that goof's ranking dragged him down that far.
Button's ranking has nothing to do with where he fell on McKenzie's list.

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06-18-2012, 10:07 PM
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That's not how it works. They don't just take the average. Bob talks to 10 scouts and basis the rankings off their rankings.

If anything, we should be giving Button credit for calling Grigorenko's fall well before anyone else. He's been saying all season that he didn't think Grigorenko should be in the mix for the top 10(nevermind #1 like he was a few months ago).

Also, Button was probably the only guy to call the top 8 last season. Everyone mocked and bashed him when he had Landeskog going 2nd, Larsson 4th, Scheifele 7th and Couturier 8th.

He's extremely annoying and I hate listening to him...but he doesn't deserve any hate right now.
I remember the threads where people was asking what he was smoking when he didnt have Grigo in top 2.. And what have we now !! Possibly out of top 10..

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06-18-2012, 10:10 PM
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Would anyone be surprised if NYI took him at 4? Would it be crazy? Does this ranking make that less crazy? Is that crazy?

Cheers,

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Reinhart is a guy that I think might have a bit of a slow start to his career(based on the expectations that would come with going 4th overall) but then when he's about 24 years old everything will start to click for him and he may be pretty dominant. Kinda like Weber. He was a very good player and then in 2008-09 he turned into an absolute beast. With his skill set and size(already 6'4/210lbs at 18 years old) he could be very scary if he puts it all together.

For the record...I'm not saying he's the next Weber.

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06-18-2012, 10:18 PM
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Button's ranking has nothing to do with where he fell on McKenzie's list.
Unless Button was one of 10 scouts Mac based his ratings on

As I said above I would be surprised if every scout had Grigs all over the place(ie one scout ranks him 3rd, the next 20th, the next 7th, the next 14th, etc)

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