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06-19-2012, 12:06 PM
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quit the draft completely. rewarding teams for being bad is laughable.
Yea. Let's make bad teams bad...FOREVER! Mwahahshaahahhahhahaaahah!

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06-19-2012, 12:09 PM
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Real reason for the draft is to keep salary low. Everyone would be a UFA if there wasn't a draft, which means the salary will go way up. After a work stoppage you can normally tell who won by the length of the draft. Increased rounds = owners win, decreased rounds = players win.

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OP complains that 7 rounds is too much
HF reply: must be 9 rounds.

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Real reason for the draft is to keep salary low. Everyone would be a UFA if there wasn't a draft, which means the salary will go way up.
Oh yea? Teams gonna trip over themselves to throw 5 million dollar contracts to 18 year olds?

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06-19-2012, 12:14 PM
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Neither should you. Its common knowledge friend, and really not the point. The draft should be fewer rounds, maybe 3 tops. The rest can be invited to NHL camps.
Present your evidence (and it really *is* the point - if you make a claim, back it up).

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06-19-2012, 12:15 PM
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The OP is more valid than those saying we need 9 rounds back. 9 rounds isn't a more efficient. Very few drafted in those rounds succeed, and under the new format, we aren't missing any of those late round gems. Those players can still develop and get drafted the following year, if they were gems. NHL teams have very little impact on the direct development of late round picks.

The majority of misinformed people here either want a longer draft A) Because it's fun or B) But datsyuk got drafted late!!!.

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06-19-2012, 12:16 PM
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Real reason for the draft is to keep salary low. Everyone would be a UFA if there wasn't a draft, which means the salary will go way up. After a work stoppage you can normally tell who won by the length of the draft. Increased rounds = owners win, decreased rounds = players win.
Salaries would probably go up for the top draft players, but not for the vast majority of players.

Drafts limit supply. Without the draft, the supply of available players to Team X would increase dramatically, and teams would have more options. More options means that you don't have to pay as much for essentially interchangeable options (which is what most of the non-star players are).

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06-19-2012, 12:22 PM
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Possibility of success is higher. There have been some very good players from the ninth round.

Matt Moulson, Adam Burish, Jonathan Ericsson, Mark Streit, Winnick, Talbot, Vrbata, Ryder, Murray, Thomas, Hedberg, Vokoun, Halak, Elliot, Khalibulin, AND Pekka Rinne. D-Buff was in the 8th round. Thats just if its extended to the ninth round. Holmstrom and Kimmo Timmonen were drafted in the tenth. Just think of all the NHLers that they could possibly be missing just by taking out those 2 extra rounds.
i agree that id like it 9 rounds again...it also allows a team to take a shot on someone who is boom or bust without worrying that they only have 7 rounds. I know its only 2 more, but that does make a difference.
The reason there are so many rounds are the fact that you need to build and have a farm system. Some kids go to college and wont play in the minors...others play overseas...so you have to have options.

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06-19-2012, 12:24 PM
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I miss the 9 rounds. Habs did well so that helps I guess haha. (2004: Streit, 2003: Halak, 1998: Ryder, 1994: Voukoun, etc)

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06-19-2012, 12:30 PM
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When you start a thread, and state that there is evidence of something, you cannot say: "Look it up yourself".

Next time you make claims like this, please be prepared to back them up, or else you're just wasting everyone's time.


ps. Evgeni Nabokov was also taken in the 9th rd.

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06-19-2012, 12:38 PM
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id like 10 rounds, because why not

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06-19-2012, 12:42 PM
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I would like 9 rounds and a 60 contract max instead of 50. Allow the ECHL and AHL to be more stocked with team properties.

Would allow more development time for some prospects who get left behind.

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06-19-2012, 12:57 PM
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I'm fine with 7. Just happy not to have 163(I think thats how much rounds the MLB has?)

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06-19-2012, 01:38 PM
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The OP is more valid than those saying we need 9 rounds back. 9 rounds isn't a more efficient. Very few drafted in those rounds succeed, and under the new format, we aren't missing any of those late round gems. Those players can still develop and get drafted the following year, if they were gems. NHL teams have very little impact on the direct development of late round picks.
If this is true, how do you explain the fact that Detroit had 16 players on their roster last year who were drafted and developed by Detroit outside of the first round? You really think that Detroit's drafting and development has nothing to do with this?

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06-19-2012, 02:23 PM
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Dallas has made a living getting a late round gem practically every year recently. They've also picked up two undrafted guys who have a legit shot at the roster this year in Matt Fraser (2nd in scoring in the AHL last year as a rookie) and Brenden Dillion (who's probably going to have to flop at camp to fail to make the roster).

2001 Mike Smith 5th round 161st overall
2001 Jussi Jokinen 6th round 192nd overall

2005 Tom Wandell 5th round 146th overall

2007 Jaime Benn 5th round 129th overall
(if Dallas doesn't draft Benn he goes onto college with his brother and doesn't become half the player he is and probably never gets close to the NHL)

2008 Phillip Larsen 5th round 149th overall

2009 Tomas Vincour 5th round 129th overall

6 players currently in the NHL who may never have made it without the support of their parent club. 7 rounds is fine with me but I wouldn't object to 9.

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06-19-2012, 02:48 PM
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Real reason for the draft is to keep salary low. Everyone would be a UFA if there wasn't a draft, which means the salary will go way up. After a work stoppage you can normally tell who won by the length of the draft. Increased rounds = owners win, decreased rounds = players win.
What is this I don't even...

All players (under 25 in North America, 27 in Europe) are required to sign an ELC which has a strict upper limit on salary. It doesn't matter whether they were drafted or not. Yakupov's deal will be 3 years long with a base salary of $925k. Performance bonuses could push his cap hit higher, but his actual salary will still only be $925k.

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06-19-2012, 02:57 PM
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Salaries would probably go up for the top draft players, but not for the vast majority of players.
I don't think they would get much more than the rookie max.

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06-19-2012, 03:18 PM
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David Jones was a 9th rounder.

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I'm down with 9 rounds.

Just makes 5-7 round picks more valuable

how about a hybrid... only teams that miss the playoffs get picks in rounds 8 and 9...

more trades baby!

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06-19-2012, 03:25 PM
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I don't think they would get much more than the rookie max.
True, although I imagine that any changes to the CBA that would affect the draft to the levels described would also have the rookie wage scale on the table.

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06-19-2012, 04:13 PM
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Just for fun (well, broadly defined), good players drafted later than #210: Krupp, Kasatonov, Makarov, Larionov, Gusarov, Claude Lapointe, Konstantinov, Zelepukin, Nemchinov! Anson Carter, Hoglund, McGillis! grier, Demitra, Timonen! Titov, Nichol! Tim Thomas, Hedberg, Nabokov, Vokoun, Steve Sullivan, Zednik, Berezin, Holmstrom, Kim Johnsson, Sami Salo! Ryder, Skrastins, Vrbata, Doug Murray, Lombardi, Gaustad, Parenteu, Oduya, Moss! Huet, Talbot, Wideman, Ericsson! Brodziak, Enstrom, Byfuglien! Moulson, Halak, David Jones, Brian Elliot, Brouwer, Campoli, Rinne! Streit, Jannik Hansen.......

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06-19-2012, 06:53 PM
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MLB has 163 rounds?! I didn't know there was that many people that wanted to play baseball.

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06-19-2012, 07:12 PM
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MLB has 163 rounds?! I didn't know there was that many people that wanted to play baseball.
Forty rounds. Not sure where you got 163 from.

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Forty rounds. Not sure where you got 163 from.
i think that's the number of games they play per season (actually, it's 162).

If the draft was 163 rounds, I might be drafted into the NHL!

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I'd rather 9 again too. 7 is nothing compared to some other sports...MLB with 40.

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