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06-19-2012, 10:02 AM
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Brandon Dubinsky?

NYR is apparently shopping him. I know he had a letdown season and switched between center and LW, but he's bigger and plays with some grit and attitude. For a 26 yr old with a 4.2 mil cap hit and under contract for three more seasons, is he a player Buffalo should look at in the 3rd/4th line role? He was averaging over 40 pts and had 54 prior to letting down this season and vanishing in the playoffs after injury.

He could be had for a mere draft pick, possibly 2nd rounder I would guess. What do people think of him as an option? Just curious.

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06-19-2012, 10:06 AM
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I'm all for it, and I was one of the first, if not the first person on the Dubinsky train. I think he's a good center, he can play against good competition, and he can win the possession battle against good competition. I'd very much like a xxxxx-Dubinsky-Pominville line. We need to get tougher to play against, I think he's a difficult player to match up with.

As far as the lower point total last year, I'm not all that concerned. His shooting% will progress to its mean. I don't think a 2nd gets him unless we're adding a solid prospect. I think if we want to make a straight up deal, it's for the #21 pick.

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Gaustad as $2.5M 3rd/4th line center was a "massive waste of money' , but Dubinsky as a $4.2M 3rd/4th line center is a good idea?

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Don't believe the hype.

Here's where the rumor started:

https://twitter.com/TEAM1200Ottawa/s...03929458933760

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According to rumours out of New York, the Rangers are shopping Brandon Dubinsky aggressively.
Here is a response from a Rangers fan:

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Rob 6Seasons&AMovie ‏@NYReign1247
not saying @TEAM1200Ottawa is wrong about Dubinsky, but if their rumors are out of NY how come no news source in NY seems to be on the story

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06-19-2012, 10:09 AM
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Gaustad as $2.5M 3rd/4th line center was a "massive waste of money' , but Dubinsky as a $4.2M 3rd/4th line center is a good idea?

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I know what you're saying, but Dubinsky wouldn't be a "3rd/4th line player" on this team. I'd bet a substantial amount that he'd center Pominville, and play against the opponents' better players.

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It could be a good trade situation for Buffalo, but I'm not sure what NYR's draft picks look like and whether they would prefer a roster player, prospect, or pick.

If Buffalo could acquire Dubinsky with just futures, #21 if necessary, and even keep Roy if that trade scenario doesn't pan out, I'd be quite happy with the center depth. I know that's settling for something besides a grade A name player, but they would be a better team non-the-less.

And Beech, I'm not in the group you just described, so I'm not worried about spending on center depth. I know it's a stretch under normal circumstances, but like Zip said, Dubinsky would be one of a group, not necessarily a bottom six. But hey, even if he played 4th line minutes that means Buffalo is getting a better player than McCormick. Leino-Dubinsky-Pominville sounds great to me if Roy gets traded.

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I know what you're saying, but Dubinsky wouldn't be a "3rd/4th line player" on this team. I'd bet a substantial amount that he'd center Pominville, and play against the opponents' better players.
I agree, but the premise of the OP was the acquire Dubinsky for a 3rd/4th line role, which is why I responded in that way.

Personally, I doubt Dubinsky is being shopped, and certainly not for a 2nd round pick.

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Adam and #21 for Dubinsky. He'd be a good guy to mix in with Hodgson and Ennis. He adds size and defensive ability to our center corps. I wouldn't mind him at all if they can't get a Staal, Thornton, etc type #1 center. Then sign Konopka and have some real center depth, plus be tougher to play against.

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Dubi and Pominville would be an excellent basis for a checking unit. If it took #21 and Adam, that looks like a very solid deal for the Sabres.

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Gaustad as $2.5M 3rd/4th line center was a "massive waste of money' , but Dubinsky as a $4.2M 3rd/4th line center is a good idea?

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Up until this year he's been a lock for 40+ points, that's not a 3rd/4th line center. That's a very good 3rd line center and decent 2nd line option.

He's got size, is pretty solid defensively, and is only 26.

I'm all for it.

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** REVISED: BUF 2nd removed **

To

C Derek Roy ($4M UFA)
C/W Luke Adam ($875K RFA)
2012 1st RND pick [21st]


To

C Brian Boyle ($1.7M)
W/C Brandon Dubinsky ($4.2M)
2012 2nd RND pick [59th]


----------------------------------------------------

Leino-Dubinsky-Pominville
Ennis-Hodgson-Vanek
Foligno-Boyle-Stafford
Gerbe-McCormick-Tropp
/Kaleta
X. Ellis, Kaleta/Tropp

Myers-Sekera
Ehrhoff-Sulzer
Regehr-McNabb

X. Weber, Brennan

Miller
Enroth

x. McIntyre, Leggio

Thoughts?


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To

C Derek Roy ($4M UFA)
C/W Luke Adam ($875K RFA)
2012 1st RND pick [21st]
2012 2nd RND pick [CGY 44th]


To

C Brian Boyle ($1.7M)
W/C Brandon Dubinsky ($4.2M)
2012 2nd RND pick [59th]


----------------------------------------------------

Leino-Dubinsky-Pominville
Ennis-Hodgson-Vanek
Foligno-Boyle-Stafford
Gerbe-McCormick-Tropp
/Kaleta
X. Ellis, Kaleta/Tropp

Myers-Sekera
Ehrhoff-Sulzer
Regehr-McNabb

X. Weber, Brennan

Miller
Enroth

x. McIntyre, Leggio

Thoughts?
Don't like this at all. Rangers get the best player and we give up two firsts? That's a ton of assets to give up for two guys whose PPG combined only equals Roy's.

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Gaustad as $2.5M 3rd/4th line center was a "massive waste of money' , but Dubinsky as a $4.2M 3rd/4th line center is a good idea?

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that's about as stupid of a comparison as one could make

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Don't like this at all. Rangers get the best player and we give up two firsts? That's a ton of assets to give up for two guys whose PPG combined only equals Roy's.
Statistics can prove anything... 14% of people know that....

Dubinsky has plenty of 2-way upside & Boyle is a monster - PPG are not the only reason to sign people on... that is how we ended up with a bunch of marshmallows in the first place. Undersized scoring does not work on all 3 lines.

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** REVISED: BUF 2nd removed **

To

C Derek Roy ($4M UFA)
C/W Luke Adam ($875K RFA)
2012 1st RND pick [21st]


To

C Brian Boyle ($1.7M)
W/C Brandon Dubinsky ($4.2M)
2012 2nd RND pick [59th]


----------------------------------------------------

Leino-Dubinsky-Pominville
Ennis-Hodgson-Vanek
Foligno-Boyle-Stafford
Gerbe-McCormick-Tropp
/Kaleta
X. Ellis, Kaleta/Tropp

Myers-Sekera
Ehrhoff-Sulzer
Regehr-McNabb

X. Weber, Brennan

Miller
Enroth

x. McIntyre, Leggio

Thoughts?
Rangers take this no doubt.

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Rangers take this no doubt.
I wish they were on 24/7 after that deal.

Torts would HATE Roy & Adam.

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that's about as stupid of a comparison as one could make

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It wasn't my suggestion. Read the freaking OP.

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For a 26 yr old with a 4.2 mil cap hit and under contract for three more seasons, is he a player Buffalo should look at in the 3rd/4th line role?
Dubinsky is clearly better than a 3rd/4th line guy, yet that's the suggestion that was put forth .

If you're going to call me 'stupid', get your damn context right.

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Dubinsky is much, much, much better suited to the wing than center. Penciling him in as a center IMO is a big mistake.

If we get him, it should be Dubinsky-Hodgson-Vanek. Not having him play center.

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It wasn't my suggestion. Read the freaking OP.



Dubinsky is clearly better than a 3rd/4th line guy, yet that's the suggestion that was put forth .

If you're going to call me 'stupid', get your damn context right.
My big mistake was forgetting how much people get caught up in the semantics of the numbering of lines. We all know, at least posters on a site like this, that Ruff wants to roll lines and nobody truly has a "1st", "2nd", "3rd", or sometimes "4th" line role. FWIW, I said 3rd/4th line because people (in general terms) are thinking of acquiring a checking C that plays a gritty game, but also because we could really use someone better than McCormick as the 4th C, so it might not be the worst thing if Dubinsky somehow ended up playing those type minutes with Gerbe and Kaleta. That's depending on whether he's truly best suited at C to begin with (as Swords rightly mentioned).

BTW, if you're going to quote people with lines like, "a massive waste of money" could you at least attribute it to the right people? Get your context right as well, ya know?

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Dubinsky as a 3rd or 4th line player is a complete waste of his talents, wing or center. Period.

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It wasn't my suggestion. Read the freaking OP.

Dubinsky is clearly better than a 3rd/4th line guy, yet that's the suggestion that was put forth .

If you're going to call me 'stupid', get your damn context right.
so you disagree with the OP's context?

i guess i missed that

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so you disagree with the OP's context?

i guess i missed that
Absolutely do.

My crack was more about the general commentary from folks who complain that $2.5M for a 3rd/4th line center was a waste of money and a roster spot, yet also turn around and suggest that a higher skilled player at double the salary playing the same position somehow made sense.

Dubinsky is a top 6 forward IMO. I think it's crazy to put him in a checking/grinding role, and I also think it's crazy to think he could be had for a mere draft pick as was also suggested.

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Disagree all you want, I was in fact looking for opinions on his fit with the team. Don't go lumping me in with people who think Gaustad is a waste of salary just because it makes it easier for you to make a wisecrack.

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Dubinsky is much, much, much better suited to the wing than center. Penciling him in as a center IMO is a big mistake.

If we get him, it should be Dubinsky-Hodgson-Vanek. Not having him play center.
this is my concern with him as well...

He clearly is a top 6 shutdown type of player... He gets top def zone shifts, with the top pairing defenders in NY. He plays with Callahan and Richards/Boyle the most. He wasn't playing center this year.

The prior season, when he did play more center, he wasn't nearly as impressive.

As a center, he's not the impact player defensively, that he is when he plays wing.

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