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06-20-2012, 01:56 AM
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Didn't know if I should put this in the 1st overall thread or the B.Ryan thread. So merge as you wish.

I don't do proposals often but it makes sense to me for both sides.


TO EDMONTON:
BOBBY RYAN + RIGHTS TO JUSTIN SCHULTZ + 6TH OVERALL

TO ANAHEIM:
1ST OVERALL + SAM GAGNER + 32 OVERALL + 2013 2nd(Added to the OP after)


Ryan and the 1st should be in the same ball park depending on which homer glasses you're wearing. Then you have Gagner + 32nd + 2013 2nd for 6th + Schultz's rights. If something needs to be added it shouldn't take much. You could argue the Ducks should overpay for the 1st overall and the Oilers should overpay for the 6th.


OILERS TOP 6:
RYAN - HOPKINS - EBERLE
PAAJARVI/UFA - HALL - HEMSKY


DUCKS TOP 6:
PELLY? - GETZ - PERRY
UFA - GAGNER - YAKUPOV


I think it helps out both teams. Oilers top 6 gets bigger and the Ducks get injected with some youth + they get their 2C, who still has potential to grow. Both teams should have decent secondary scoring. Hall takes the reigns as 2C.


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06-20-2012, 01:58 AM
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Didn't know if I should put this in the 1st overall thread or the B.Ryan thread. So merge as you wish.

I don't do proposals often but it makes sense to me for both sides.


TO EDMONTON:
BOBBY RYAN + RIGHTS TO JUSTIN SHULTZ + 8TH OVERALL

TO ANAHEIM:
1ST OVERALL + SAM GANER + 32 OVERALL


Ryan and the 1st should be in the same ball park depending on which homer glasses you're wearing. Shultz's rights aren't worth too much so basically Gagner + 32nd for 8th. If something needs to be added it shouldn't take much. You could argue the Ducks should overpay for the 1st overall and the Oilers should overpay for the 8th.


OILERS TOP 6:
RYAN - HOPKINS - EBERLE
PAAJARVI/UFA - HALL - HEMSKY


DUCKS TOP 6:
PELLY? - GETZ - PERRY
UFA - GAGNER - YAKUPOV


I think it helps out both teams. Oilers top 6 gets bigger and the Ducks get injected with some youth + they get their 2C, who still has potential to grow. Both teams should have decent secondary scoring. Hall takes the reigns as 2C.
From an outsider looking in I'd say not bad. Having said that, both fanbases will probably launch into why it's awful.

But question: How is getting Ryan better than a shot at the #1 pick? No offense, but it's not like you're going to be contending in the next year or two, and by then your #1 could be better than Ryan...

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From an outsider looking in I'd say not bad. Having said that, both fanbases will probably launch into why it's awful.

But question: How is getting Ryan better than a shot at the #1 pick? No offense, but it's not like you're going to be contending in the next year or two, and by then your #1 could be better than Ryan...
Oilers need size in the top 6 and could use the 6th overall for more help on D so its give and take I guess. Plus I'm not convinced the Oiler brass have settled on taking Yak so that plays into this a bit too.


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Didn't know if I should put this in the 1st overall thread or the B.Ryan thread. So merge as you wish.

I don't do proposals often but it makes sense to me for both sides.


TO EDMONTON:
BOBBY RYAN + RIGHTS TO JUSTIN SHULTZ + 8TH OVERALL

TO ANAHEIM:
1ST OVERALL + SAM GANER + 32 OVERALL


Ryan and the 1st should be in the same ball park depending on which homer glasses you're wearing. Shultz's rights aren't worth too much so basically Gagner + 32nd for 8th. If something needs to be added it shouldn't take much. You could argue the Ducks should overpay for the 1st overall and the Oilers should overpay for the 8th.


OILERS TOP 6:
RYAN - HOPKINS - EBERLE
PAAJARVI/UFA - HALL - HEMSKY


DUCKS TOP 6:
PELLY? - GETZ - PERRY
UFA - GAGNER - YAKUPOV


I think it helps out both teams. Oilers top 6 gets bigger and the Ducks get injected with some youth + they get their 2C, who still has potential to grow. Both teams should have decent secondary scoring. Hall takes the reigns as 2C.
Not bad...btw the Ducks have the 6th overall pick not 8th.

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Not bad...btw the Ducks have the 6th overall pick not 8th.
Thanks, my bad

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Oilers need size in the top 6 and could use the 8th overall for more help on D so its give and take I guess. Plus I'm not convinced the Oiler brass have settled on taking Yak so that plays into this a bit too.
Fair enough. Like I say, I don't know a lot about either's situation. From a value standpoint though I don't think you're too far off. Just not sure if it addresses the teams' needs directly (more from an Oiler perspective).

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not too shabby folks.

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Fair enough. Like I say, I don't know a lot about either's situation. From a value standpoint though I don't think you're too far off. Just not sure if it addresses the teams' needs directly (more from an Oiler perspective).
Depends on how you look at it I guess. Oilers walk away with Ryan and Grigorenko/Reinhart/Trouba/Dumba and possibly Shultz. I think that addresses a few needs myself.


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I like it but does Ryan want to play for KLowe after what KLowe said 6yrs ago?

This DOES help the Oilers right now and in the future. It's what Tambo is after for the 1st OA pick.

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Depends on how you look at it I guess. Oilers walk away with Ryan and Reinhart/Trouba/Dumba and possibly Shultz. I think that addresses a few needs myself.
I think it's a good proposal. One of the better ones I've read to be honest.

Unlike so many other one's, you realize that to get you have to give.

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I think Edmonton has to add a bit more from a neutral perspective. Maybe something like switching the 32nd overall for MPS. If I was Anaheim looking at this trade, from THEIR POV

Ryan is around the same value as 1st.
6th overall is worth a bit more then gagner and 32nd.

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I think Edmonton has to add a bit more from a neutral perspective. Maybe something like switching the 32nd overall for MPS. If I was Anaheim looking at this trade, from THEIR POV

Ryan is around the same value as 1st.
6th overall is worth a bit more then gagner and 32nd.
I'll throw in Pitlick and keep MP.

Edit: Also Anaheim can have Omark too.

I've also proposed the following before to land the 6th pick:

Gagner, Pitlick, Omark for Schultz and 6th OA pick. I have no problems trading the 1st OA pick for Ryan only if Ryan is commited to Edmonton.

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I'll throw in Pitlick and keep MP.

Edit: Also Anaheim can have Omark too.

I've also proposed the following before to land the 6th pick:

Gagner, Pitlick, Omark for Schultz and 6th OA pick. I have no problems trading the 1st OA pick for Ryan only if Ryan is commited to Edmonton.
Or maybe 2013 2nd?

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Ok I am trying to be as unbiased as possible here....

Bobby IMO has the same or more value then the 1st overall. Even if you think the 1st has more value, it is not by a vast amount.

The difference between the 6 and Gagner+2nd is much larger then the difference (in either direction) between Bobby and the 1st.

Would the Ducks do this? I doubt it. Its not so good or bad to have a reaction either way, but why risk it? We already have a top line winger and (even though it is a 1st overall) either pick can bust. I have no interest in Gagner. This makes us even smaller up front and we lose our only top 6 winger under contract past next year.

Would Edm do this? I think so. They get a top line winger and a top pairing potential defender which is what they need.

Not bad but no reason to do this for the Ducks.

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I agree that the Oilers could add a bit so I tacked the 2013 2nd on the OP...

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Ducks want to get bigger not smaller

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I agree that the Oilers could add a bit so I tacked the 2013 2nd on the OP...
Or maybe a roster player that is of interest to the Ducks in lieu of the 2nd.

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Then why is Bobby Ryan on the shopping block?

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So does every other team in the league. If you can't get bigger, then you might as well become more skilled. I doubt Ryan brings you back either someone more bigger then himself or more skilled then Yakupov. You're obviously talking about Gagner since Yak shouldn't have a problem in the big leagues with weight and what not. Truth be told...He would hold down your 2C spot without a challenge.

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Didn't know if I should put this in the 1st overall thread or the B.Ryan thread. So merge as you wish.

I don't do proposals often but it makes sense to me for both sides.


TO EDMONTON:
BOBBY RYAN + RIGHTS TO JUSTIN SCHULTZ + 6TH OVERALL

TO ANAHEIM:
1ST OVERALL + SAM GANER + 32 OVERALL


Ryan and the 1st should be in the same ball park depending on which homer glasses you're wearing. Schultz's rights aren't worth too much so basically Gagner + 32nd for 6th. If something needs to be added it shouldn't take much. You could argue the Ducks should overpay for the 1st overall and the Oilers should overpay for the 6th.


OILERS TOP 6:
RYAN - HOPKINS - EBERLE
PAAJARVI/UFA - HALL - HEMSKY


DUCKS TOP 6:
PELLY? - GETZ - PERRY
UFA - GAGNER - YAKUPOV


I think it helps out both teams. Oilers top 6 gets bigger and the Ducks get injected with some youth + they get their 2C, who still has potential to grow. Both teams should have decent secondary scoring. Hall takes the reigns as 2C.
I like this a lot!

Oilers get Ryan, a big gritty winger who will be an annual 30-40 goalscorer playing with RNH and Eberle. Oilers also get top6 pick and pick a 1-pairing D-man(Think Murray). Justin Schultz could also immediatly upgrade their defense.



Anaheim get Yakupov, a franchise superstar? Gagner is a RFA-center who could be 60-70p in a few years while on a cheap contract? 32nd pick is also valuable. Ducks save some $$. Their future looks brighter with a young, promising 2nd line. The money saved is used for a topline winger!


Ducks top9:

? -Getzlaf-Perry
Selanne-Gagner-Yakupov
Beleskey-Koivu-Pelly


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Then why is Bobby Ryan on the shopping block?
He isn't... He never was...

The rumored asking price from Bob Murray to Burke was Kessel+Grabovski

Does that really sound like he wants to trade him? no

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I like this a lot!

Oilers get Ryan, a big gritty winger who will be an annual 30-40 goalscorer playing with RNH and Eberle. Oilers also get top6 pick and pick a 1-pairing D-man(Think Murray). Justin Schultz could also immediatly upgrade their defense.



Anaheim get Yakupov, a franchise superstar? Gagner is a RFA-center who could be 60-70p in a few years while on a cheap contract? 32nd pick is also valuable. Ducks save some $$. Their future looks brighter with a young, promising 2nd line. The money saved is used for a topline winger!


Ducks top9:

? -Getzlaf-Perry
Selanne-Gagner-Yakupov
Beleskey-Koivu-Pelly

Glad you like it, because that top 9 gets us another lottery pick next year.

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Then why is Bobby Ryan on the shopping block?
He's not. Murray is listening. Huge difference than the shopping block. That deal is way too risky and doesn't make the Ducks a better team come game 1 of the season IMO.

I don't understand why people act like Murray is under some sort of pressure to trade Ryan. He can wait as long as he wants until someone gets desperate. If not...he stays.

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He isn't... He never was...

The rumored asking price from Bob Murray to Burke was Kessel+Grabovski

Does that really sound like he wants to trade him? no



Glad you like it, because that top 9 gets us another lottery pick next year.
Are u seriously saying that the future look worse, having Yakupov-Gagner on the team behind Getz-Perry? It`s not only next year that counts! It`s the 10 years after that. Having Selanne/Koivu mentor Yakupov/Gagner aint a bad thing...
And btw - I wouldn`t mind Ducks getting a lottery pick next year either. I just dont think they could avoid the playoffs with this lineup.

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He's not. Murray is listening. Huge difference than the shopping block. That deal is way too risky and doesn't make the Ducks a better team come game 1 of the season IMO.

I don't understand why people act like Murray is under some sort of pressure to trade Ryan. He can wait as long as he wants until someone gets desperate. If not...he stays.
IMO, Ryan will be moved on draft day or before July1 because the Ducks are a capped team and Getzlaf and Perry needs new contracts 1 yr from now. Unless the new CBA differs.

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This is actually the best proposal I`ve seen in a long time! It adresses the needs of both teams. This makes oilers a better team instantly. Anaheim gets cap, a future superstar?(Yakupov) and a 2nd line center.
To the ppl that think this make Anaheim worse - they werent exactly rocking with last years lineup either! Atleast this deal has some potential for the future of the franchise...

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