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06-21-2012, 07:27 AM
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dont spend a dime on top ufa`s
trust me we will get smoked like the cammy ,gio spacek crap we had to deal with
even cole as good as played folks we have the third pick for petes sake
we arent a suter or parise away from anything
do nothing,give the kids a shot
if you to tinker in free agency, short term bandaid moves are fine with me
Regardless of finishing 28th overall, Cole was a great signing. If we could get value like that from a UFA every summer it would be like winning the lottery. Cole has already earned 6-6.5 mil of his 18 mil contract with 3 years left. even if he had just scored 20 goals I think he was a good signing, it addressed a big need plus provides a very good leader for the young guys here and on the way.

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06-21-2012, 07:38 AM
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As one of the senior members of the forum ( I can remember listening to the french radio broadcast of John Furgeson's and Yvan Cournoyer's first game) I realy enjoy the depth of knowledge of some of our posters. The trouble sometimes is seperating the wheat from the chaff. Anyway to the porpose of this posting.

Bergevin has been dealt a hand. He cannot go back and undo the Gomez signing nor reverse the Kaberle trade. What he can do is influence the future. He has a responsibility to put the best possible team on the ice in September and in each following September. His short term and long term goals must mesh. He does the best he can with what tools he has at his disposal. What I am trying to say is maybe Kaberle will be his 4th best defenseman, this year, maybe Gomez will be his 7th or 8th best forward. He can't let the fact their salaries aren't commensurate with their talent influence the team he puts on the ice. Sure he can look for outs via trade, demotion or buy-out, but I don't see teams lining up to solve his problems for him.
I don't see where cap-space will come into play this year, whether it's incoming salary via trades or free agency. He has to put his best 23 players on the ice on a nightly basis even if it's is Gomez on the fourth line if he is the best fourth line option they have. Bergevin and team are also responsible for developing and communicating a team strategy, the concept under which the team will play.
Icing the best possible team means not having Scott Gomez on the ice.

On the other hand, we're probably stuck with Kaberle, who's pretty much a playmaking version of MAB at this point, but is, at the very least, an NHL. Besides, I don't think Molson will want to lose more fans than he already did.

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06-21-2012, 07:48 AM
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Icing the best possible team means not having Scott Gomez on the ice.

On the other hand, we're probably stuck with Kaberle, who's pretty much a playmaking version of MAB at this point, but is, at the very least, an NHL. Besides, I don't think Molson will want to lose more fans than he already did.
Kaberle, even in a down year last year, was still a full notch above MAB 5 on 5. If he bounces back to pre 11-12 form he is 2 or 3 notches ahead. Kaberle in his prime was a #2-3 guy on any team in the NHL. MAB in his prime was at best a 3rd pair PP specialist.

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06-21-2012, 05:43 PM
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Kaberle, even in a down year last year, was still a full notch above MAB 5 on 5.
Debatable, even without getting into what a "full notch" means. MAB was only -7, with 12 EV points in his last 60 regular season games as a Hab. Kaberle was -6, with 10 EV points (8 secondary assists) in his first 49 games as a Hab. I don't see the full notch ahead 5-on-5 statistically, and certainly didn't observe it in his play, either.

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If he bounces back to pre 11-12 form he is 2 or 3 notches ahead. Kaberle in his prime was a #2-3 guy on any team in the NHL. MAB in his prime was at best a 3rd pair PP specialist.
2-3 notches ahead in "something", but 3 or 4 notches ahead in salary/cap hit. I think what the other guy is saying is that if there was no value to keeping a guy like MAB around at $1 million or less, there shouldn't be much value to keeping a guy like Kaberle around at over $4 million. I'm not going to say he's wrong. Ball's in Kaberle's court.

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Kaberle, even in a down year last year, was still a full notch above MAB 5 on 5. If he bounces back to pre 11-12 form he is 2 or 3 notches ahead. Kaberle in his prime was a #2-3 guy on any team in the NHL. MAB in his prime was at best a 3rd pair PP specialist.
Hard not to be a "notch" ahead of MAB on defense. I think MAB was an equivalent "notch" ahead of Kaberle on the PP, though, and the PP really hurt us last year.

I'd also submit that Kaberle in his prime was a decent #1 guy in the NHL. Well, not on "any team", but on some. Maybe that is the same as 2-3 on "any team".

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