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07-24-2012, 07:40 PM
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Are people still on about the seal hunt? **** off, Maher.

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It's the whole concept of "Why don't Americans do what is right" while Canadians themselves do things that Americans don't approve of.
Americans don't approve of hunting?

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Americans don't approve of hunting?
Yeah, I was totally under the impression Americans were huge fans of killing things.

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Not with clubs they aint...

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Not with clubs they aint...
Evidently, that's barbaric.. but given how many people are executed by American state governments each year I'd call it a wash.

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Sarah Palin is under fire for clubbing a fish to death on her new reality TV show.

The Tea Party darling and her daughter Bristol, 20, were shown on a halibut fishing trip filmed for her new programme, Sarah Palin's Alaska.

After catching a fish, Sarah is seen beating it with a club and Bristol later holds its still-beating heart in her hand, a sight Sarah called 'weird'.
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Oregon hatchery workers will use clubs and electricity to euthanize thousands of surplus salmon this fall to avert a deluge of hatchery fish that would weaken the dwindling gene pool of wild coho.

Earlier this year, state officials said they'd use overdoses of carbon dioxide to kill off extra hatchery fish, but changed their minds after discovering the gas didn't kill fish quickly.

"Clubbing is by far the most effective and most humane method of killing fish," said Steve Williams of the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife's fish division.

Home videos of state hatchery workers clubbing salmon in 1999 at the Fall Creek Hatchery near Alsea spawned lawsuits and criticism that still reverberated in the state capitol this spring.

Gov. John Kitzhaber vetoed a bill which would have placed a moratorium on destroying hatchery salmon, and a state judge upheld the department's right to club fish.
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Not with clubs they aint...
Getting back to the topic at hand, Canadians can be supercillious and superior on many issues for sure. It so happens that we're mostly right on gun control. Hello, it's your own people that are being killed for the most part. You should be the ones caring anywhere.

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07-24-2012, 10:28 PM
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Your move, DanielBryanRoleModel.

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About that last article, it says clubbing the fish is the most humane way. Wouldn't it be more humane to just cut their heads off with axes? Beat to death isn't the most humane death I can think of.

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About that last article, it says clubbing the fish is the most humane way. Wouldn't it be more humane to just cut their heads off with axes? Beat to death isn't the most humane death I can think of.
I have a feeling it has nothing to do with that; they just don't want to make a mess.

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1. Arms are protected in the Constitution- Now this is vague, but it is in there.

2. Is Gun Control the Problem?- I'm not so sure, people who want these clips that this kid use will be able to get them. I'm more concerned about the fact that University of Colorado Mental Health Services seemed to know nothing about this guy and he was allowed to fall through the cracks. Get rid of guns, you still have people walking around thinking they're the Joker, which really doesn't speak much for an improvement in public safety.

The choice here seems to be that you can either prevent people who have gone postal from getting guns while possibly infringing on the Bill of Rights, or you can try to make sure people who are at risk of losing their right mind are taken care of. Doing both would seem unnecessary. This is why it shouldn't be taken as a right-or-wrong issue.

Nor should Seal Clubbing, which is sorta my point. Though I must say, clubbing a fish kills them almost instantly as all the organs are flattened at once, while blunt force trauma does different things for a large mammal.

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07-25-2012, 05:26 AM
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But Daniel, you specifically told us y'all ain't clubbing anythang!

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Let's imagine for a second that cars had been invented by the time the American constitution was written. For the sake of argument, let's also assume the third amendment granted similar rights to citizens with respect to cars as the second does with respect to arms.

Comparatively, the level of rhetoric surrounding gun rights in the States means that there would be few or no traffic laws, licensing or registration requirements for your vehicle, or safety standards - such as seatbelts or airbags - in modern day America. Sure, this is a 'free' society, but it's also a completely absurd and non-sensical one that obstinately contravenes any conceptual or empirical knowledge about game theory or the common good.

True, cars are generally used as a method of transportation and not self-defense or hunting. Discounting the fact that a car can be used for these purposes - as well as the fact that both instruments can be used for recreation - the point is not about the merits of utilitarian use, but rather the principle of whether or not a constitutional right confers immunity from regulation. Does it?

Free speech is restricted by libel and slander. Freedom of mobility comes with some key exemptions. The right to own property is limited by eminent domain. Yet God ****ing forbid you have to be licensed to own and operate a firearm. It may seem like Canadians are trying to take the moral highground, but I'd argue that phenomenon is more of a proxy indicator of the absurdity of the American public discourse. There is very little reason to the 'debate'.

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Let's imagine for a second that cars had been invented by the time the American constitution was written. For the sake of argument, let's also assume the third amendment granted similar rights to citizens with respect to cars as the second does with respect to arms.

Comparatively, the level of rhetoric surrounding gun rights in the States means that there would be few or no traffic laws, licensing or registration requirements for your vehicle, or safety standards - such as seatbelts or airbags - in modern day America. Sure, this is a 'free' society, but it's also a completely absurd and non-sensical one that obstinately contravenes any conceptual or empirical knowledge about game theory or the common good.

True, cars are generally used as a method of transportation and not self-defense or hunting. Discounting the fact that a car can be used for these purposes - as well as the fact that both instruments can be used for recreation - the point is not about the merits of utilitarian use, but rather the principle of whether or not a constitutional right confers immunity from regulation. Does it?

Free speech is restricted by libel and slander. Freedom of mobility comes with some key exemptions. The right to own property is limited by eminent domain. Yet God ****ing forbid you have to be licensed to own and operate a firearm. It may seem like Canadians are trying to take the moral highground, but I'd argue that phenomenon is more of a proxy indicator of the absurdity of the American public discourse. There is very little reason to the 'debate'.


Well said.

But make no mistake, us Canadians do have the moral high ground here.

As for seal hunts...

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07-25-2012, 07:00 PM
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The indignation over the seal hunt is non-sense. The vast majority of seals killed are killed by rifle, the majority of the hunt occurs on the ice flow (70% source DFO where it is far safer to shoot the animal from afar than to get on the ice flows to use the hakapik. The Hakapik is used more commonly on the inland hunt of seals in the Gulf of St Lawrence. Obviously animal rights activists are going to paint the seal hunt in the worst light possible, but the whole ‘clubbing’ seals is over blown.

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Nor should Seal Clubbing, which is sorta my point. Though I must say, clubbing a fish kills them almost instantly as all the organs are flattened at once, while blunt force trauma does different things for a large mammal.
In 2009 DFO changed regulations regarding the hakapik, it can no longer be used on seals over one year old. Hakapik instantly kills seals better than a rifle at younger ages. But that’s all irrelevant any animal killed for human use will suffer, there isn’t a humane way to kill anything.

If Seals were ugly we would have “Newfie People” on television instead of “Swam People”.

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The indignation over the seal hunt is non-sense.
What I am indignant about is the those goldurn Harperites interferin' with my God given right to go to my local nudie bar, sip a brewski or two and watch foreign exotic dancers.

What is the Canada I grew up in coming to????
Canadian employers will be blocked from hiring temporary foreign workers in sex-trade-related jobs under new rules announced by the Harper government Wednesday.

The changes are intended to prevent temporary foreign workers from taking employment as exotic dancers, with erotic massage parlours or escort services, or in any other field deemed “degrading” by the government.
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“What about those Toronto strip clubs in core downtown that have been there for literally 40 or 50 years with no incidents of exploitation or human trafficking, etc.?” said Richard Kurland, a Vancouver-based immigration lawyer and policy analyst.

“I understand the morality of it. But if they are going to make it illegal for foreign nationals, then they better make it illegal for Canadians and permanent residents,” he said.

The association representing licensed strip clubs nationwide said Wednesday it was looking at all options, including legal action, to reverse what it sees as a policy aimed at shutting down clubs.

“This is nothing more than political brownie points for their western, ultraconservative base,” said Tim Lambrinos, executive director of the Adult Entertainment Association of Canada. “We’re going to be challenging this in some way.”
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Next step... Job fairs and recruitment in local high schools? Be all that you can be, eh?
If the Vancouver School Board won’t let the adult entertainment industry recruit strippers from within its high schools, industry reps say they’ll stand out on the street and hand out flyers.

“As far as recruiting 18-year-olds, that’s a market that has been untouched,” said Tim Lambrinos, executive director of the Adult Entertainment Association of Canada (AEAC).
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Lambrinos confirmed a draft of the recruiting package read: “If you are visually appealing and comfortable with your naked body and are comfortable about taking all your clothes off, you can be working right now as an exotic dancer and earn your tuition fees for university or college.”
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What I am indignant about is the those goldurn Harperites interferin' with my God given right to go to my local nudie bar, sip a brewski or two and watch foreign exotic dancers.
Didn’t you have a job in the past checking the immigration status of exotic dancers? I believe I recall that from another thread.

It's sad, but this industry is dying. One of my best memories as a young adult was turning 19 and going to the nudie bar with my dad, two of his brothers and a few friends from work that were old enough. Memorable male bonding moment that won’t exist in a few years thanks to drinking laws and the internet.

If I have a son in the future we are going to have to sit around a computer screen with a case of beer and pay for some live Jasmine

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It's sad, but this industry is dying. One of my best memories as a young adult was turning 19 and going to the nudie bar with my dad, two of his brothers and a few friends from work that were old enough. Memorable male bonding moment that won’t exist in a few years thanks to drinking laws and the internet.

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Didn’t you have a job in the past checking the immigration status of exotic dancers? I believe I recall that from another thread.

It's sad, but this industry is dying. One of my best memories as a young adult was turning 19 and going to the nudie bar with my dad, two of his brothers and a few friends from work that were old enough. Memorable male bonding moment that won’t exist in a few years thanks to drinking laws and the internet.

If I have a son in the future we are going to have to sit around a computer screen with a case of beer and pay for some live Jasmine
Yup. It was a tough job but somebody had to do it.

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Yup. It was a tough job but somebody had to do it.







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Saskatchewan has released their initial proposal for redistribution. The end to the RurBan ridings will be VERY interesting to watch. 5 seats in the province will now be exclusively urban, which should give the NDP an excellent chance to win seats in the province in the next election. Conservatives had won 13/14 seats the last few elections.


http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr_new...f-saskatchewan

EDIT: So I did a brief analysis of the 5 ridings in Saskatchewan in and around Saskatoon and Regina (through the scientific method of analyzing ridings with Regina or Saskatoon in their name). I took those ridings and split them into urban and rural (all polls in Regina and Saskatoon were separated from all other polls in the riding). Looking ONLY at the urban polls (those dubbed Regina or Saskatoon), the NDP would pick up two seats (Regina Qu'Appelle and Saskatoon Rosetown Biggar). In the other 3, the gap between the Conservatives and NDP is considerably smaller.

*Regina Lumsden Lake Centre gap goes from roughly 5,500 to roughly 1,400
*Saskatoon Humboldt gap goes from roughly 6,700 to roughly 1,500
*Saskatoon Wanuskewin gap goes from roughly 9,800 to roughly 1,800

Election Night, 2015. All eyes on Saskatchewan.


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Rob Ford caught reading and driving on the highway.

What's up with him? He's become an embarrassment for Toronto.

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He's become an embarrassment for Toronto.
Your hockey team already does a good enough job of that.

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What's up with him? He's become an embarrassment for Toronto.
Become an embarrassment for Toronto???

I thought he was there long ago.

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Rob Ford caught reading and driving on the highway.

What's up with him? He's become an embarrassment for Toronto.
I always kind of laughed at Ford, but that laughter came to tears after hearing his nuanced policy position on gun violence in Toronto. "Ban them all from Toronto." Seriously?

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