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Penguins to trade "a defenseman or two"

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06-19-2012, 06:02 PM
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Martin would be a serviceable stopgap if and when the Flames get rid of Bouwmeester.

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06-19-2012, 06:03 PM
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Islanders can't afford Martin's paytag, it was already reported that he was not a suitable target.

Islanders need a top 4 D who's young and locked up for years to come.
so their 2012 1st is in play then?

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Probably anything they could get
Martin is worth more than "anything we can get"

Some Tampa Bay fans were in agreement with a deal for Malone-Martin. Despite his poor season he still has value.

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Martin i think would draw interest but lovejoy i dont see it.

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06-19-2012, 06:06 PM
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so their 2012 1st is in play then?
Yes it is, actually. If we're talking Brooks Orpik, you can take

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Engelland is the perfect bottom pairing D-man I seriously doubt he is going any where. Lovejoy was benched for Strait & Despres during the playoffs so I think the writing is on the wall there.

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Paul Martin still had a decent offensive year even though he was pretty pathetic in a lot of other areas on the ice.

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06-19-2012, 06:08 PM
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Martin i think would draw interest but lovejoy i dont see it.
Then he'll get waived and send down, it's really six of one and half a dozen of the other. Or were you thinking of a specific second defensman who is on the block rather than Lovejoy.

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06-19-2012, 06:09 PM
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Paul Martin and one of Deryk Engelland or Ben Lovejoy. Orpik and Letang go nowhere and I highly doubt Michalek or Niskanen are moved either.
Teams are lining up for Paul Martin and one of Deryk Engelland or Ben Lovejoy.

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06-19-2012, 06:13 PM
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Yes it is, actually. If we're talking Brooks Orpik, you can take

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I'd be shocked to see them move that much for a guy over 30.

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My guess is one of Ben Lovejoy, Robert Bortuzzo, or Brian Strait will be dealt. I don't think it's going to be anyone of note (like Paul Martin).

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This isn't a surprise. Lovejoy was a playoff trainwreck, Martin was skated around and over, Michalik looked slow as molasses, and even Engellend and Orpik looked bad.

I'm not surprised, their forecheck made them look better than they are for most of the season. When the fore-check is working hard for the Penguins, then all the forwards are buying in and their defense can enjoy it. When they can't get in the zone or grind the puck like they want to, the pressure shifts onto their defense and the forwards (who are so used to expending their energy in the attacking zone) often phone in their back checks and forget who to cover. Toss in some pathetic goal-tending and you got bigger problems then moving a couple mid-tier blue liners.

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06-19-2012, 06:15 PM
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I'd be shocked to see them move that much for a guy over 30.
Yeah, not liking that offer either. I rescind it lol

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I can't see Engelland being dealt. Considering his salary and the unique skillset he brings to the table (ie. legitimate "heavyweight" who can actually play a regular shift), there's really no point. He's the ideal #6/7 guy on a league minimum salary.

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Then he'll get waived and send down, it's really six of one and half a dozen of the other. Or were you thinking of a specific second defensman who is on the block rather than Lovejoy.
My guess? Michalek really I dunno why I just feel like he might be expendable if the right deal is there.

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06-19-2012, 06:22 PM
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Not sure, I read that the Pens want a helpful asset in return, they don't want Martin to be a cap dump, I don't know if they're looking for a top 6 winger or a bigger, more physical defenseman.
I suggested something around Cammalleri and Martin in the past but was quickly nixed by Pens fans because of Cammalleri's cap hit, but I don't think I would be willing to pick up Martin unless he was a) super cheap, or b) significant salary was going back

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My guess? Michalek really I dunno why I just feel like he might be expendable if the right deal is there.
I guess, if the right deal is there, i.e. one that makes the Pens a better team right now, then everyone not named Letang is expendable on that end.

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What would the asking price for Michalek be? Would the cap space be satisfaction enough?

Bobby Butler for Zybnek Michalek

You can sign Butler cheap, or let him walk. You're saving 4 mil in a cap space and make room for a kid.

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Pretty confident that Lovejoy is one of them. The writing is/was on the wall for him. Ideally Martin or Michalek would be the other. Neither have lived up to their billing since signing.

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06-19-2012, 06:33 PM
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I guess, if the right deal is there, i.e. one that makes the Pens a better team right now, then everyone not named Letang is expendable on that end.
Yea I would expect as much with Letang on the Untradeable list really.

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What would the asking price for Michalek be? Would the cap space be satisfaction enough?

Bobby Butler for Zybnek Michalek

You can sign Butler cheap, or let him walk. You're saving 4 mil in a cap space and make room for a kid.
Wow, that's pretty bad offer for zybnek.

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06-19-2012, 06:36 PM
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I don't think it's Michalek, Pens are high on him, he's better than Martin defensively and he blocks shots. He's also $1M cheaper than Martin and he's right handed which is valuable to the Pens.

It's Lovejoy and probably Martin. Maybe Shero trades one of Strait or Bortuzzo also.

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What would the asking price for Michalek be? Would the cap space be satisfaction enough?

Bobby Butler for Zybnek Michalek

You can sign Butler cheap, or let him walk. You're saving 4 mil in a cap space and make room for a kid.
we're not giving Martin away for free, never mind Michalek. Lovejoy is free to a good home though.

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06-19-2012, 06:40 PM
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Let's just say Jordan Staal was traded for arguments sake (not going to speculate where or what return he would bring). You'd need a 3rd line centre in theory unless you feel someone from within the organization can fill the spot.

From Ottawa:

Zack Smith and Patrick Wiercioch

From Pittsburgh

Z. Michalek

Maybe a pick from Ottawa? I have no idea if I am way off base here. You get some cap space here, Smith is a gritty player who is only 22-23 and Wiercioch, while he had a down year (big injury), is not a bust as of yet.

The connection to Ottawa I'm sure is pretty evident...

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Yes it is, actually. If we're talking Brooks Orpik, you can take

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Calvin DeeHan
Id do this in a heartbeat.

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If we're trading Michalek to Ottawa, we want a defenseman who can help the Pens now.

Maybe a deal involving Cowen?

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