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06-21-2012, 11:02 PM
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Price is very much a star and ROTFL @ he's just a good goalie. Get a team in front of him, which we will and ask him to make 7 saves/game like Quick. Maybe then he'll look like a Conn Smythe winner. He hasn't won anything, but that doesn't mean he won't. Put Price on any of the top teams in the league and tell me they don't look scarier.
In all honesty, you could say the same thing about Theodore and Huet during their days with us. We never give our goalies the teams they need when in their prime.

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In all honesty, you could say the same thing about Theodore and Huet during their days with us. We never give our goalies the teams they need when in their prime.
Price isn't Les Kuntar! He's is in the realm of ROY, we won't find better any-time soon!

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Price isn't a star, not yet. Unreal the money being talked about for a guy like price, when you think back what Marty, Roy and Hasek made lol
they can't really front load it because he is just bound to get better but if they spread the terms properly it shouldnt hurt too much.

id go for something like 3.5 - 4.5 - 4.5 - 5.5 - 5.5 - 5.5 - 6 .

it gives a cap hit of 5m for 7 years. makes sense for me and if he wants more than that sign him short term and deal him, he's not a superstar yet, and if he thinks he is, he never will be.


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06-21-2012, 11:34 PM
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If he goes to arbitration they will be comparing Price to what other goalies with similar stats are making. I think it's safe to say he'll be compared to guys like:

Fleury:
2012-13 $5,500,000
2013-14 $5,750,000
2014-15 $5,750,000

Niemi:
2012-13 $4,000,000
2013-14 $4,000,000
2014-15 $4,000,000

Ward:
2012-13 $6,400,000
2013-14 $6,600,000
2014-15 $6,700,000
2015-16 $6,800,000

Hiller:
2012-13 $4,500,000
2013-14 $4,500,000

Halak:
2012-13 $4,250,000
2013-14 $4,500,000

Rinne:
2012-13 $7,000,000
2013-14 $7,000,000
2014-15 $7,000,000
2015-16 $7,000,000
2016-17 $7,000,000
2017-18 $7,000,000
2018-19 $7,000,000

I don't think Price's numbers are as good as Rinne so I would expect less than what he's making. I would predict that he will fall somewhere between Ward and Fleury if he goes to arbitration. So something like $6,000,000 is very probable

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Price is probably the second best goalie in that list. So I expect between 5.5 and 7.

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Price is probably the second best goalie in that list. So I expect between 5.5 and 7.
Second best in Wins, Save %, GAA? What stats are you suggesting he's second best in? I'm just too lazy to look it up so you might be right. Arbitration will use actual numbers and not based on potential or general feeling.

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Second best in Wins, Save %, GAA? What stats are you suggesting he's second best in? I'm just too lazy to look it up so you might be right. Arbitration will use actual numbers and not based on potential or general feeling.
I think you have to also consider how well he plays... it's not all stats because they reveal a lot, but not everything. Ward had a 2.74 GAA this year (we can probably agree he's the only one else close to Price along with Rinne who is above Price by a bit) on a better team than Carey who had a 2.43. That is a huge difference. Price also had a better save percentage. Price played 65 games this year and 72 last year, that's insane.

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I think you have to also consider how well he plays... it's not all stats because they reveal a lot, but not everything. Ward had a 2.74 GAA this year (we can probably agree he's the only one else close to Price along with Rinne who is above Price by a bit) on a better team than Carey who had a 2.43. That is a huge difference. Price also had a better save percentage. Price played 65 games this year and 72 last year, that's insane.
Tell that to guys like Brodeur and Kiprusoff who started 70 games year after year and make 5 million a year.

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Good point that games played will probably be an important stat that arbitration will consider.

I don't think he'll make less than Fleury at $5,500,000 and I don't think he'll make more than Rinne at $7,000,000. Hopefully Mtl can lock him up before it goes to arbitration because a lot of times players and teams walk away with a sour taste from the process.

I'm hoping for six years broken down like this:
2012-13 $5,500,000
2013-14 $5,750,000
2014-15 $6,000,000
2015-16 $6,000,000
2016-17 $6,250,000
2017-18 $6,500,000

Average salary of 6M and $36,000,000 in total

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Tell that to guys like Brodeur and Kiprusoff who started 70 games year after year and make 5 million a year.
Right but age has to come in to play here too. Price is young and is risking a lot by taking less money now considering he can get a huge payday when he's a UFA. Price is 24, Brodeur is 40. The value difference between the two is immense.

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06-22-2012, 12:46 AM
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Right but age has to come in to play here too. Price is young and is risking a lot by taking less money now considering he can get a huge payday when he's a UFA. Price is 24, Brodeur is 40. The value difference between the two is immense.
I put Price in the Rinne and Quick category (of course they aren't actual comparables in an arbitration... but I mean as reasonable comparisons to Price).

Rinne got $7 million and Quick will get that too when his contract comes up to be extended.

I don't see Price going for less than $6 million per year and probably closer to $7 million. If they really go through with arbitration it will be a lower award... but he won't be locked up at those dollars.

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It's also funny. During the season, you would think Price was one of the biggest stars in the NHL and that he was an untouchable within this organization. Now that it's time to pay him some big dollars, well... He's not GREAT, but he is good.
So true. And when Habs trade a player we just lost a second-coming for nothing.

And people should realize that when a team evaluates how much they wanna pay a player, they take into account how valuable he is to the team, not just looking at numbers that only tell half the story.

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Tell that to guys like Brodeur and Kiprusoff who started 70 games year after year and make 5 million a year.
Brodeur took a 5.2 million/year contract in 06-07 when the salary cap was at 44million. That's about 11-12% of the cap.

For price to take that much of the expected $69 million cap he'd need to get a contract with a caphit of... 8.15 million.

Kipper signed a 5.8 million $ cap hit contract in 2008-09, which accounts for 10.2% of that years 56.7mil cap. Price would need to sign for an average cap hit of 7.05 million $ to match it.

Oh, and that was after posting up a shiny 2.69 gaa .906 SV% season.


Also, it's been rumored the cap can go up to even 72mil, but I took the lower estimate

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Brodeur took a 5.2 million/year contract in 06-07 when the salary cap was at 44million. That's about 11-12% of the cap.

For price to take that much of the expected $69 million cap he'd need to get a contract with a caphit of... 8.15 million.

Kipper signed a 5.8 million $ cap hit contract in 2008-09, which accounts for 10.2% of that years 56.7mil cap. Price would need to sign for an average cap hit of 7.05 million $ to match it.

Oh, and that was after posting up a shiny 2.69 gaa .906 SV% season.

Also, it's been rumored the cap can go up to even 72mil, but I took the lower estimate
Ya... there has been a little reticence on the part of GMs to push past the $7 million mark (cap dollars) for any player even with the cap ceiling rising substantially.

Now that some of the long term contract cap circumvention loopholes are closed I think we see that ceiling smashed this summer.

In real dollars (not cap dollars) top player are making $8-12 million dollars per year. With Price being so young you can't tack on fake years at $1 million per year (which he would never actually play) in order to drop the cap hit. He will likely still want to be playing at the end of an 8-10 year contract and is going to want to get paid for those years as well.

I don't think $7 million for Price is at all unreasonable in terms of real market value. It may not be what you want to pay, but it is probably what he is worth and certainly he could get that and more on the open market if he were a UFA this summer.

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40m range... So thats around 6-7-8 years right?
I'm hoping for 40.25 MIL over 7 years, 5.75 MIllion per year. I feel thats a fair deal for all parties.

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Ya... there has been a little reticence on the part of GMs to push past the $7 million mark (cap dollars) for any player even with the cap ceiling rising substantially.

Now that some of the long term contract cap circumvention loopholes are closed I think we see that ceiling smashed this summer.

In real dollars (not cap dollars) top player are making $8-12 million dollars per year. With Price being so young you can't tack on fake years at $1 million per year (which he would never actually play) in order to drop the cap hit. He will likely still want to be playing at the end of an 8-10 year contract and is going to want to get paid for those years as well.

I don't think $7 million for Price is at all unreasonable in terms of real market value. It may not be what you want to pay, but it is probably what he is worth and certainly he could get that and more on the open market if he were a UFA this summer.
It really doesn't mattrr if he wants to play at the end of his long contract because he will likely be in Colorado by then.

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Price will not get 60-70M. I don't even think he'd get 6 or 7M out of arbitration.

He is a great goaltender, but he's still very young and hasn't proven himself in the POs yet. He's likely to get in the 4-5M range, not 6-7M.

And you're being too harsh on Price. We couldn't win games despite dominating because we didn't score, not because Price had troubles in net.
I'm not being too harsh on Price. I have said several times that he is a very good goalie with potential to be great. How is that harsh?

I agree, the habs had bigger things to worry about than the player between the pipes, but I still don't see an outstanding performance that many others see. He was average to slightly above average last year, I think this is a fair and accurate assessment.

I feel your assessment of the cash range is where he should be on a 2 year deal, if we buy a few UFA years it will be 5-6m imo, which is fine, but 10 years 70million or anything in this ballpark is a gross overpayment imo.

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I am not a Montreal fan, but I don't see how folks think that he is going to sign for less than what Rinne got.
Price is due for a $7 million per year contract... probably with a reasonable mid-range 3-5 year term.
It may sound like a lot, but considering I suspect you see Suter and Parise sign for somewhere around $10 million cap hits this summer... it is going to seem like a bargain.
I don't know how Montreal really affords the cap hit that Price will garner in this type of market.

You have to get rid of Gomez somehow to get your salary structure back in line.
I don't see it as impossible that Price goes out in a trade that also sheds the Gomez salary, letting you get a bit of a fresh start.
Otherwise here is to hoping that the new CBA allows you to buy out a contract for no cap hit.... or waiving Gomez which is a big hit even for a rich team.
I think you're off your rocker.

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I believe arbitration will show the true worth of Carey Price. It will be hilarious to see the end result. Hint : nowhere near 7M
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I don't really care what they pay him, just lock him up long term and keep him happy. The Habs future relies heavily on Price, so if they have to overpay so what, do it. I'd rather them overpay guys like Price and Pac, Subban then try to worry about pinching pennies.

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People are ok that Gionta makes 5mil but can't stomach the idea that Price could command around 7mil... massive facepalm.

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I don't really care what they pay him, just lock him up long term and keep him happy. The Habs future relies heavily on Price, so if they have to overpay so what, do it. I'd rather them overpay guys like Price and Pac, Subban then try to worry about pinching pennies.
Price has the Habs over a barrel and he knows it. Hopefully he'll accept something reasonable.

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There will be no arbitration. This is solely a strategic tactic to prevent another team from submitting an offer sheet.

I think he will sign for 6 years at $6.25M

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it's just to make sure he's not offer-sheeted.

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People are ok that Gionta makes 5mil but can't stomach the idea that Price could command around 7mil... massive facepalm.
when he signed here, gionta was a stanley cup winner and had experience to bring to the table. He wasn't past his ''prime'' , and we got him via free agency.

doesn't mean that because we overpaid gionta 1m, he's a comparable to price. price is home grown and can have 7m per for eternity if he brings the cup home. he's RFA, why on earth should we pay ridiculous, undeserved money ?

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Price has the Habs over a barrel and he knows it. Hopefully he'll accept something reasonable.
No he doesn't.

We're not a contending team, we can afford to let him go. I don't mind paying him a fair price but if he wants to cash out we should trade him.

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when he signed here, gionta was a stanley cup winner and had experience to bring to the table. He wasn't past his ''prime'' , and we got him via free agency.

doesn't mean that because we overpaid gionta 1m, he's a comparable to price. price is home grown and can have 7m per for eternity if he brings the cup home. he's RFA, why on earth should we pay ridiculous, undeserved money ?
How much did Drew Dougthy got last year ?

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