People are saying no to trading Gardiner, over and over again. If Burke trades him, I hope it is for an equally special forward. For instance, everyone is talking about Staal, Statsny and Ryan. So, I'm gonna throw out an idea that's a little different and the only kind of deal that I would be alright with trading Gardiner.
To Colorado: Jake Gardiner, Nazem Kadri, Mike Komisarek
My point is that nether jumping to defend nor jumping to denounce a scouts opinion at first glance makes much sense to me but if I were to be forced to make a decision, it would be based almost solely on what my 10 scouts had to say about the issue.
Definitely, McKenzie is not a scout and so he uses them as he should.
As for getting a good number of players correct in the first round every year, we did that last year using about 5 scouting reports. Obviously, not everyone here is going to purchase those reports like we did last year, so McKenzie is great in that regard.
However, realistically if the Leafs have 19 scouts and all the other teams have half as many, we're looking at 10 out of 300 scouts when McKenzie talks. That is just NHL scouts, not including the agencies.
Hinted at this yesterday, Mike Russo scooped everyone on the Harding signing, by being a day ahead of it.
Mike Russo is also the guy that said he thought Justin Schultz had made up his mind where he was signing, Toronto. Yes I hate to set everyone up for a let down if this isn't true, but let's say there is a 51% chance it is true, then trading Gardiner would cut that % in half.
There is No way Gardiner is going anywhere come Friday night.
The General Managers who take risk will end up paying off in the long run. Dean Lombardi took multiple trade gambles with Mike Richards and then going after Jeff Carter in multi asset deals. The Kings are now champions.
The time is right to upgrade the talent pool for this team and forge ahead by taking some risk.
The Kings started rebuilding in 2003 and waited until 2011 to take any risks at all. Lombardi, over and over again stockpiled draft picks, until he got to the point he could afford to move B Schenn for an immediate upgrade because they had the depth to do so. Burke is still stockpiling, and in a year or two might be able to afford to move a Gardiner type prospect for an immediate, significant upgrade. Doing that today makes no sense for the Leafs.
The Leafs prospects are still young and carving out a niche for themselves. Another 6 months and we'll some some guys blossom. Colborne, Kadri, Blacker, Ashton, Percy are all players to watch the next few years.
This next season, we should continue to stockpile, unless a perfect deal is available. Gardiner to move up? Nah, not the right time for that. Colborne, Schenn, MacA for the 2nd overall? That's a little better. Not that it's available from Columbus, but you gotta take a shot.
Sorry, back to this year. This year should be about replacing Connolly with Colborne, MacA with Kadri, Komo with Holzer, Army with Komorov, Lombardi with Ashton etc etc. We'll go into next summer with a young line-up, who have NHL experience, and cap space to make the changes required to fill the holes in our line-up. This is not the year to go into a "playoffs or bust" mentality.
Folks on this board have no respect for what anybody says in the media. They think anybody in the media is clueless, untrustworthy, dishonest and conniving. Nobody in the media as far as I can tell gets the stamp of approval on HF Boards. Not one single journalist, analyst or talking head.
I think a lot of the media is full of crap too (especially Simmons and Cox) but it is rather silly for people to be slamming Simmons for an article he didn't even write. In other words, slamming something without having read it.
Burkes decision is easy. You don't trade gardiner for anything but massive overpayment. Phaneuf and Liles are older and Schenn Komo and Holzer Arnt exactly puck movers.. That leaves gunner and transon, one of which I see getting dealt . So we're not exactly trading from a point of strength.. You win games with scoring but you win championships with D.
-the ducks fleecing
-he's *relatively young
-he can skate fast and is fairly composed on the PP
Reasons for Burke to want to move Gardiner:
-he's a defensive liability
-his ceiling is a poor man's Campbell
- he's not tough
- his points don't amount to anything: PP goals or winning goals
If anything BB has fooled the world into believing that JG is going to be an elite defenseman of the future. I say we get maximum return for him now and run with it.
*warning: he's not 18 either
He is 21 with a single full season under his belt and yet he is being written off for being a defensive liability? Gimme a break, he needs time to develop. And how in God's name can you predict his ceiling based on the limited data set available?
The Kings had the high quality expenable assets to aquire Richards/Carter , we have no where near these type of expenable assets .
It took them a lot of years to get to that point though. They were made fun of for stockpiling for many years coming out of the lockout.
Adding Schultz and whoever at #5 might make it a bit easier to move assets in the future. But we still need some time. We need to see exactly what we have in Kadri, Blacker, Colborne, Ashton, Biggs, Percy, D'Amigo to know how much quality we have in our depth. LA used a lot of mid-1st round picks to add to their depth, with Doughty their top 2 pick. We will see LACK move on soon, and our core is still young (Kessel, Lupul, Grabs, Phaneuf) that they can still give 5-10 years of quality service as the young players continue to develop.