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06-20-2012, 09:26 PM
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And I keep saying this...he reminds me more of Brian Leetch more than any d-man I have ever seen in my life!!!!

I am not saying he is Brian Leetch...but why give up on one who is the closest thing that I can remember...Leafs gave up a 1st rounder for Leetch who was past his prime...lets keep a young one who I think maybe really close to Leetch!

All the sings are there...from what I see! But I could be wrong!
I liked Brian in his prime, but many compare his style to Leetch. If you go watch old videos, nothing could be farther from the truth. The stance and stride alone are completely different. Leetch was more leaned over and Gards is more upward with his stride. Leetchs seemed more powerful, but Gards looks effortless. That has Neidermayer all over it. Scot had the same body position and stride that looked effortless.

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06-20-2012, 09:27 PM
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So this Schultz kid....Trade Gardiner and there's a 99% chance we won't be signing him either. Doesn't make sense IMO.

Burke will dump Komi before trading Gardiner away.
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Seriously...din't know who B-Underhill was till the leafs hired her!
I might have to correct myself here....I think it was ice Capades or Stars on ice. Im going with Ice Capades.

Edit. I just checked and she was on both.

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like the clap...but who do you think we should trade Gards for???

Just curious?

maybe if we throw in a 3rd.

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Florida's 1st round pick (23rd overall)

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Jake Gardiner
Toronto's 3rd round pick in 2012

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It isn't a tough decision at all.

You don't trade players with the promise Gardiner has shown.

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maybe if we throw in a 3rd.

To Toronto:

Florida's 1st round pick (23rd overall)

To Florida:

Jake Gardiner
Toronto's 3rd round pick in 2012
Thats the first thing you said all day that doesnt make any sense at all. Gards is easily worth a top 5 all by his itty bitty self.

And, should he keep progressing and becomes a 50 to 60 point D man, he will be worth a ton more than that.

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maybe if we throw in a 3rd.

To Toronto:

Florida's 1st round pick (23rd overall)

To Florida:

Jake Gardiner
Toronto's 3rd round pick in 2012
I think that's close, maybe just add Florida's 1st. for 2013 and it would be there.

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Jake Gardiner has tool to be a top 2 D-man for sure, Skates like a wind and can log lots of minutes, has good hockey IQ, good quality kid and is calm under pressure. You don't trade away prospects like these. I say keep him.

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It isn't a tough decision at all.

You don't trade players with the promise Gardiner has shown.
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Jake Gardiner has tool to be a top 2 D-man for sure, Skates like a wind and can log lots of minutes, has good hockey IQ, good quality kid and is calm under pressure. You don't trade away prospects like these. I say keep him.
That and his skating are my fav traits for this kid.

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Gardiner's Profile according to the hockey news:


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ASSETS: Can quarterback a power play effectively. Is an extremely gifted offensive talent. Has plenty of creativity and intelligence with the puck. Owns outstanding mobility and confidence.

FLAWS: Can get easily knocked off the puck at the NHL level. His work in the defensive zone, and without the puck in general, can use some tightening up. Isn't a consistent hitter.

CAREER POTENTIAL: Power play quarterback and rushing defenseman.

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http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/...layer.cgi?1206

Right, so thats why I questioned You about giving him and a 3rd next season for Florida's pick. I agree with Ulf-55, kick in Florida's first next year and you might be closer. Florida 1st for 2012 and 2013 and we may have a deal. Kid just has too much promise.

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Right, so thats why I questioned You about giving him and a 3rd next season for Florida's pick. I agree with Ulf-55, kick in Florida's first next year and you might be closer. Florida 1st for 2012 and 2013 and we may have a deal. Kid just has too much promise.
it was a joke. i linked campbell's profile.

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it was a joke. i linked campbell's profile.
um.....good one....?

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It isn't a tough decision at all.

You don't trade players with the promise Gardiner has shown.
When you've got a good deal on the table, it's always a tough decision. If Pittsburgh offered you Jordan Staal and the 22nd pick in this draft, would that be easy to turn down just because "we aren't trading Gardiner"?

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I was never as impressed with Brian Campbell compared to others. I find his shot release really "golf shot" like. Anyway, he didn't do much to impress in the NHL until after the lockout in 2005 when he was 26 years old. Jake turns 22 in 2 weeks.

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I might have to correct myself here....I think it was ice Capades or Stars on ice. Im going with Ice Capades.

Edit. I just checked and she was on both.
Barb Underhill and partner Paul Martini were famous Canadian pairs skaters during the heyday of figure skating in Canada. They won a gold and Bronze in the World Championships.

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um.....good one....?
Ignore him. He picks outrageous viewpoints in order to feed off the attention.

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then they might like him on vancouver.
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I was never as impressed with Brian Campbell compared to others. I find his shot release really "golf shot" like. Anyway, he didn't do much to impress in the NHL until after the lockout in 2005 when he was 26 years old. Jake turns 22 in 2 weeks.
In all honesty though, if Jake gardiner turned out to be as good or better than Brian Campbell you'd be ok with that. I know I would be.. Brian Campbell is a very talented Dman and really doesn't get the credit he deserves due to his enormous contract. IMO, offensively, Brian Campbell is an elite defenseman

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In all honesty though, if Jake gardiner turned out to be as good or better than Brian Campbell you'd be ok with that. I know I would be.. Brian Campbell is a very talented Dman and really doesn't get the credit he deserves due to his enormous contract. IMO, offensively, Brian Campbell is an elite defenseman
I think Campbell is ok. I also think Jake will be ok. I just don't feel that he's untouchable. If he stays with the leafs then I want to see a drastic improvement in his defensive game.

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In all honesty though, if Jake gardiner turned out to be as good or better than Brian Campbell you'd be ok with that. I know I would be.. Brian Campbell is a very talented Dman and really doesn't get the credit he deserves due to his enormous contract. IMO, offensively, Brian Campbell is an elite defenseman
Yea, if he ends up being as good as Soupy I'd be OK with that.

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Saw an interview with Gardiner on Leafs TV a couple of weeks ago. Apparently he didn't start playing defense until he was 17. Given that he seems to have pretty good hockey IQ and all the physical tools, I would guess as he gains more experience as a defenseman (under a good coach) his defensive positioning and awareness should improve dramatically.

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Gardiner has been playing defense for what, 4 years?

Campbell's offensive ability is certainly in his reach but as he develops I think his board work will improve greatly.

Again, best talent on the blue line since Berrard. Has the tools to be great just needs to be tougher and meaner.

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LOL, Simmons likes to make up crap. Remember Sundin's career ending hip surgery. He probably got 15 west teams thinking someone else said it, when infact no one said it.

Leafs have plenty of assets, and teams would love to have Schenn; I wouldn't give him up anyways. Gardiner goes nowhere, that would be counterproductive.
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Why do people keep posting his crap like it's some kind of ground-breaking info? It's just Simmons being an idiot!

Also, don't give me the whole "it creates discussion" ******** because it doesn't! The Leafs don't have to trade Gardiner for anything, it's not a tough decision at all.
Terry Koshan is the writer and he needed to file his column

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What decision exactly will be hard for Burke?

Man... journalists are having a hard time filling their columns.
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Looks like more than a scout isn't convinced about the Leafs supposed prospect strength.

If we are to believe scouts ...
If we believe that Terry Koshan even talked to some scouts. He like Simmons tends to hear scuttlebutt from people second hand and report them as quotes.

"Several scouts said" "one western scout said"

there is no indication in those scrbblings that Mr Koshan got that first hand

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Without a doubt. People talk about Jake Gardiner like he is Bobby Orr. IMO, there is not a single player in the entire Leaf organization that isn't moveable for the right deal. Fans want to acquire high end talent for guys like Komisarek, Franson or Lombardi....too bad other GMs aren't brain dead and willing to give up blue chippers or elite talent for scraps. Burke's made some decent trades but really the best one was the Gardiner/Lupul for Beauchemin trade. He got a bit lucky on that one because A.) He really wanted Shultz but Anaheim wouldn't give him up and Gardiner has turned out better than anybody had hoped. and B.) Nobody even knew if Lupul would resume his NHL career let alone be as productive as he has.

Still, that was one GREAT deal for the Leafs. I don't think any of his other trades is even remotely close to the impact it has had on the Leafs. Or the value to other teams of the assets acquired.

talk about broad insinuation, which Leafs fan actually said that about Gardiner

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