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Bobby Ryan is "available" Part II

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06-20-2012, 06:16 PM
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3 WAY TRADE:

To Toronto: Jordan Staal

To Anaheim: 5th overall (TOR), 22nd overall (PENS)

To Pens: Bobby Ryan

Pitsburgh gets a top 3 winger, no brainer for them. Toronto gets the big centre they need. wether or not he's a legit number 1 - it doesn't matter he gives the leafs what they need. Anaheim can draft a second line centre in Grigorenko to play behind Getzlaf. Colberg could be available at 22. Plus they could draft Reinhart or Dumba with there own pick. Wow what a draft that would be.
Toronto makes out like a bandit and not enough to the Ducks.

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Hey when did you become the GM???

Keeping it real, you really have no idea what the ducks want and as connected as McKenzie is he is not the Ducks GM. Bobby Ryan did score 30 goals but also has problems on and off the ice.
Where are these ******** rumors coming from? Its like everyone wants to convince us how much Bobby sucks and is an ******* and we should trade him. We are talking about the guy that went behind his own agent's back to sign a longterm deal with a great cap with the Ducks.

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06-20-2012, 06:18 PM
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Kolbinian Holzer
Tyler Bozak
Clarke MacArthur

That meets the "parameters", but that seems to undersell Ryan...
no that would not be an undersell that would be robbery thats phaneuf trade level robbery and I like mac but B ryan is worlds better.

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06-20-2012, 06:18 PM
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Ryan straight up for the 2nd overall?
Bad for both teams.

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06-20-2012, 06:19 PM
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He doesn't suck, he's just not a franchise player... He's a nice piece.

I don't know of any off Ice stuff... Other than getting mentioned in trade rumors every few months, which is likely to annoy a guy who went behind his agents back to sign a cap friendly deal with the Ducks.

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06-20-2012, 06:38 PM
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There's another "parameter" that needs to be mentioned: the deal must make Anaheim better NOW. That's not fans wish or speculation, that's straight from our GM's mouth. If your offer doesn't make ducks better now, then don't bother.
That deal is awful but you can't trade B Ryan and be better after the deal he would be the best player in the deal

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06-20-2012, 06:44 PM
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That deal is awful but you can't trade B Ryan and be better after the deal he would be the best player in the deal
Sure, it's possible. You can improve your team at the top, and you can improve your team in the middle. That's what it would take. Two/three pieces that are by themselves not as good as Ryan, but could realistically be expected to improve depth enough to make the team indeed better and potentially close the gap to Ryan in the future. If you go by the simplistic old "the team that gets the best player wins the trade" mantra, I see what you mean, but that's just an oversimplification, most of the time.

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06-20-2012, 06:50 PM
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Sure, it's possible. You can improve your team at the top, and you can improve your team in the middle. That's what it would take. Two/three pieces that are by themselves not as good as Ryan, but could realistically be expected to improve depth enough to make the team indeed better and potentially close the gap to Ryan in the future. If you go by the simplistic old "the team that gets the best player wins the trade" mantra, I see what you mean, but that's just an oversimplification, most of the time.
just wondering what you think it would cost us?

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06-20-2012, 06:56 PM
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just wondering what you think it would cost us?
Personally, I see no deal with the Leafs. In my opinion, we're looking at a young guy like Brayden Schenn or Derek Stepan at center to start a package. That type of caliber. There isn't that in Toronto, and if there was, you'd need that. I do like Schenn, but I really don't see the right deal with the Leafs.

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06-20-2012, 07:01 PM
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just wondering what you think it would cost us?
I really am not trying to sound rude but I've never thought the leafs made a good trade partner, UNLESS Murray could be persuaded to change his mind about his demands. I just don't see a realistic deal with Toronto that makes us better now. This is exactly why I said the only teams that I thought could pull a move off that Murray describes are Philly and NYR. However I'll play along though. I don't want to move Ryan to leafs because I don't believe we make good partners for a player like Ryan. Anyway start with Gardiner and 5th overall and add one more solid piece.

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06-20-2012, 07:13 PM
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What about this proposal?


- Bobby Ryan (LF - 25 yrs old - 5.1 mil)
- 2012 36th overall pick


- Kyle Turris (C - 22 yrs old - 1.4 mil)
- Nick Foligno (LF - 24 yrs old - RFA@1.2 mil)
- 2012 15th overall pick

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06-20-2012, 07:19 PM
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What about this proposal?


- Bobby Ryan (LF - 25 yrs old - 5.1 mil)
- 2012 36th overall pick


- Kyle Turris (C - 22 yrs old - 1.4 mil)
- Nick Foligno (LF - 24 yrs old - RFA@1.2 mil)
- 2012 15th overall pick
I think Anaheim says no. Turris is still very unproven both on and off-ice.

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06-20-2012, 07:21 PM
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What about this proposal?


- Bobby Ryan (LF - 25 yrs old - 5.1 mil)
- 2012 36th overall pick


- Kyle Turris (C - 22 yrs old - 1.4 mil)
- Nick Foligno (LF - 24 yrs old - RFA@1.2 mil)
- 2012 15th overall pick
I've seen better out of Ottawa fans for Bobby straight up. Turris needs to establish himself and Foligno is...eh...so basically it's a downgrade

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06-20-2012, 07:22 PM
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I think Ryan would only be available for two people (or their type of caliber).

Ryan for J Staal - Swap players for need

Ryan ++ for Shea Weber

Other than that I dont see the Ducks moving Ryan for parts. He has a good contract for us and will anchor our second line this year.

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06-20-2012, 07:24 PM
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What about this proposal?


- Bobby Ryan (LF - 25 yrs old - 5.1 mil)
- 2012 36th overall pick


- Kyle Turris (C - 22 yrs old - 1.4 mil)
- Nick Foligno (LF - 24 yrs old - RFA@1.2 mil)
- 2012 15th overall pick
Would love to see Turris on the Ducks...
but the deal is lopsided

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06-20-2012, 07:29 PM
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P.Kane for B.Ryan straight up could work well for both sides.

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06-20-2012, 07:34 PM
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I really am not trying to sound rude but I've never thought the leafs made a good trade partner, UNLESS Murray could be persuaded to change his mind about his demands. I just don't see a realistic deal with Toronto that makes us better now. This is exactly why I said the only teams that I thought could pull a move off that Murray describes are Philly and NYR. However I'll play along though. I don't want to move Ryan to leafs because I don't believe we make good partners for a player like Ryan. Anyway start with Gardiner and 5th overall and add one more solid piece.
I understand why you'd want gardiner but I don't think he'd even be asked about something about throwing him in a deal then watching him perform very well then trying to get him back would look kind of embarassing IMO almost like saying "ya we admit it we messed up." GM's don't usually do that

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I understand why you'd want gardiner but I don't think he'd even be asked about something about throwing him in a deal then watching him perform very well then trying to get him back would look kind of embarassing IMO almost like saying "ya we admit it we messed up." GM's don't usually do that
I understand and do somewhat agree. Another reason I don't think Ryan goes to Leafs. However if he goes a great young 2nd line center or great young top 4 defenseman must come back the other way. Gardiner is the only candidate. Please don't even bring up Schenn, he's not what we are looking for.

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P.Kane for B.Ryan straight up could work well for both sides.
We're not trading Ryan because he needs a change of scenery.

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I understand and do somewhat agree. Another reason I don't think Ryan goes to Leafs. However if he goes a great young 2nd line center or great young top 4 defenseman must come back the other way. Gardiner is the only candidate. Please don't even bring up Schenn, he's not what we are looking for.
Lol Ducks aren't trading for Gardiner not a chance in hell.

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06-20-2012, 08:21 PM
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To MTL
B. Ryan, ANH 6th overall pick 2012

To Anaheim
N. Beaulieu, MTL 3rd and 33rd overall picks 2012

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Lol Ducks aren't trading for Gardiner not a chance in hell.
If Murray trades Ryan to Toronto and Gardiner isn't part of the package coming back, he should be fired on the spot. Aside from Kessel, there is no one on the roster worth building a move for.

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If Murray trades Ryan to Toronto and Gardiner isn't part of the package coming back, he should be fired on the spot. Aside from Kessel, there is no one on the roster worth building a move for.
"Oh **** I shouldn't have let go of Beauch...I'll give em Gardiner"
"Oh **** I shouldn't have traded Gardiner...I'll give em Ryan"

I just think Murray should be fired if he trades Ryan to Toronto for anyone.

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Just like in Rick Nash's case, Anaheim can ask whatever they want for Bobby Ryan but his market value is not what they ask for, and it's certainly not what the "fans" think it is. The true market value of those players is the price that the highest bidding team is willing to pay for them. Period.

Don't like it? Keep them!
Which is exactly what will happen

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I understand why you'd want gardiner but I don't think he'd even be asked about something about throwing him in a deal then watching him perform very well then trying to get him back would look kind of embarassing IMO almost like saying "ya we admit it we messed up." GM's don't usually do that
Different situation, and I'm not pushing such a trade, but the Ducks re-acquired Lupul after trading him away. It's not entirely out of the question for a team to go after someone they've previously traded. Needs and situations change over time, which makes those moves possible.

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