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06-21-2012, 01:51 AM
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4.2 or so per year was my breaking point at about 3-4 years. See ya...combo of Petrovic/Robak is better long term anyways.

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4.2 or so per year was my breaking point at about 3-4 years. See ya...combo of Petrovic/Robak is better long term anyways.
So basically Jovo's money for him. I know Jovo is paid a lot of money for non-hockey reasons but it is going to hurt watching him suck on ice all year when we could have had Garrison for pretty much the same amount.

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5 million for Jason Garrison? Ho-lee ****. Looks like this years FA market is gonna completely suck yet again come July.

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06-21-2012, 02:11 AM
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Like others mentioned, if Wiz got what he got, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get close to $5mil/season. He'll for sure use Wiz as a example and Ballard makes $4.2 mil/year so I can see him using him as a example as well.

What would he ask for if he wanted to go to Vancouver. He claims he wants to go their but the Canucks wouldn't/shouldn't give him that much. How much of a hometown discount would he give them?

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06-21-2012, 02:20 AM
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How much of a hometown discount would he give them?
4 years 14 mill would be awesome.


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4 years 14 mill would be awesome.

Realistically if Van wanted him, that would be my offer. Nothing less and nothing more. Now in return, Garrison might ask for a front loaded contract with some sort of NTC. Would you be willing to give him a NTC?

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I think that 75% of the posters on here have no idea about what's a 'fair' cap hit.

In 2007 the Cap was 44 million. A 2.5 million dollar Dman was aprox 6.4% of your cap.

In 2012/2013 with a projected 70 million cap...the same Dman is worth 4.5 million keeping things proportional.

People need to wrap their heads around the fact that with an increasing cap..your going to have increased salaries.

You cant look at a guy like Garrison making 4.5 - 5 million and compare him to a UFA who signed 3 years ago and say "woah..see compare these guys..Garrison isn't worth 5". Things change with time.

Garrison is completely worth 4.5-5 million dollars on a deal that takes him to 31 or 32 years old. GM's know this..that's why they're GM's and you guys are not. Suter is worth north of 8 million.
No, not that much, but what you are pointing out is a good reason.

In summer 2006 the cap was 44M. A 2.5M contract in 2006 would be a 4M contract for next season. 60% more in 6 years.

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Realistically if Van wanted him, that would be my offer. Nothing less and nothing more. Now in return, Garrison might ask for a front loaded contract with some sort of NTC. Would you be willing to give him a NTC?
Sure. One that starts in the 2nd year of the contract.

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4 years 14 mill would be awesome.

Garrison would be stupid to lose 8M within 4 years.

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i'd give him 4x4 in ottawa.

fits a need, will slot in nicely with either ek or cowen in our top 4.

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So basically Jovo's money for him. I know Jovo is paid a lot of money for non-hockey reasons but it is going to hurt watching him suck on ice all year when we could have had Garrison for pretty much the same amount.
No I hear you but...

It's not right to compound one big mistake with another one especially if it is 5 mil or north of that for five years Kulikov needs to be paid before him, said it from the beginning.

Also Panthers need OFFENSE as you know up front.

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i'd give him 4x4 in ottawa.

fits a need, will slot in nicely with either ek or cowen in our top 4.
Probably about the same from Van, $4 mil/year for 4 years.

He's from Van... so that might hold some sway?

He's be a Ballard replacement for sure.

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06-21-2012, 02:46 AM
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Sounds about right. The salary cap keeps getting bigger, so salaries are gonna keep getting bigger.

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5 mil doesn't seem outrageous to me.
If strictly stay at home types like Regehr, Volchenkov, Hainsey, Gleason, Gorges, Michalek, Brewer and Komisarek are getting between 3.75-4.5 mil, why shouldn't Garrison, who is their equal defensively and has some offensive tools which that crew could only dream about, get 500K-1mil more than them? Even if he does decline a bit offensively, his defensive game is good enough to where his contract wouldn't be an albatross.

IMO the problem most people have with the 5 mil mark is that they don't realize how good Garrison is defensively.

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Garrison reminds me of McCabe. Oh boy...

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I think that 75% of the posters on here have no idea about what's a 'fair' cap hit.

In 2007 the Cap was 44 million. A 2.5 million dollar Dman was aprox 6.4% of your cap.

In 2012/2013 with a projected 70 million cap...the same Dman is worth 4.5 million keeping things proportional.

People need to wrap their heads around the fact that with an increasing cap..your going to have increased salaries.

You cant look at a guy like Garrison making 4.5 - 5 million and compare him to a UFA who signed 3 years ago and say "woah..see compare these guys..Garrison isn't worth 5". Things change with time.

Garrison is completely worth 4.5-5 million dollars on a deal that takes him to 31 or 32 years old. GM's know this..that's why they're GM's and you guys are not. Suter is worth north of 8 million.
While I agree with the overall conclusion that Garrison is definitely worth that much money in today's market (4.5 million to 5 million), one thing that I think (without crunching the numbers) is significantly different than in 2007 is that there are not as many teams spending as large a proportion of the cap as they were in 2007. So while the cap may be 26 million more than it was in 2007, I'm not so sure that the average amount of money spent by teams is up by that same amount. Therefore, it isn't entirely valid to use percentage of cap comparisons when looking at previous contracts to present day contracts.

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Garrison is the 2nd best D available in the free agent market. Why wouldn't Garrison command big dollars? Dennis Wideman and Matt Carle will also get really good money. Suter and those 3 players are the top D in the free agent. The only top 4 D available. Carle will probably return to Philly. That is what Paul Holmgren indicated a few days ago. The Flyers can't sign him now because of tagging issues. Minnesota and Detroit will be in the market for a D. Whichever team misses out on Suter,could make a run at Wideman or Garrison. The Wings apparently are interested in Wideman.

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In addition to being gifted offensively, Wideman is attractive because he shoots right-handed, something the Wings miss -- especially on the point on power plays. On the downside, he isn't as impressive in his zone, where he's prone to turnovers, and his value tarnished a tad after he played 14 playoff games with only three assists and was a team-worst minus-seven. He'd need to be partnered with a stay-at-home type.

Half of Detroit's top-four core is gone in Lidstrom and Brad Stuart, so help is needed. As one of the top offensive defensemen expected to be available, Wideman is sure to interest the Wings.
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This is what happens when most GMs have tossed money after their UFAs so far this summer..

He can back his bags if he wants 5 million, people will just see what the Campbell effect is all about.





Let's trade Garrisons rights for Parises rights

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Oh boy, next Wisniewski.

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Garrison is in a great position. The Florida pipeline is deep and they can always pull off a trade to replace him.

Meanwhile the guy should really cash in right now, the craze for offensive D men has never been greater.

My guess is 3.5x3 to a contender

4x5 to a bottom feeder

5 per is a bit too much, Dreger is smoking that good stuff

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I think 5 is to much, that being said he will probobally get close to 5.

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and people said Karlsson's contract was risky.

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Is there a chance Philly don't re-sign Carle and go for Garrison or do they take the safe option and stick with the guy they know, who works in the current system etc?

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