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06-22-2012, 01:33 PM
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Trades will happen at the draft especially if picks are involved just for the drama of it. Wouldn't be surprised if it was quiet until then.
Really? Teams will make deals that they otherwise wouldn't make just to provide drama?

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06-22-2012, 01:33 PM
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I mean either he has it or he doesn't. He doesn't just disappear for the playoffs he disappears for the end of the season in general. Don't get me wrong, put him on a line with Kreider and I think we'll have instant chemistry, but I don't think he can be considered an untouchable. He's not a 1st line center and it doesn't look like he'll ever be able to develop into one.

There's a difference between untouchable and not wanting to trade. I don't want to trade Stepan but I don't think he should hold up a deal for someone who will keep an opponents defense at bay during the playoffs either.
What do you mean he either "has it or he doesn't". Since when does a 22 year old have to have it all put together? Is he done learning? Getting stronger? I don't understand this logic and this isn't just directed at you KJ.

I swear, this generation who had video games and has been spoiled with some players making the NHL at a very young age don't understand the normal development path for a human athlete.

Derek Stepan had 51 points as a sophomore and 22 year old. 51. A normal 1st line center has around 60. 22 years old. 51 points. 60 points to be a 1st line center. Players hit their prime around 27.

People fail to realize that being a 1st line center =/= to Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin. Those players are superstars. Comparing all top-line forwards and defensemen to superstars is getting old.

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06-22-2012, 01:34 PM
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I mean either he has it or he doesn't. He doesn't just disappear for the playoffs he disappears for the end of the season in general. Don't get me wrong, put him on a line with Kreider and I think we'll have instant chemistry, but I don't think he can be considered an untouchable. He's not a 1st line center and it doesn't look like he'll ever be able to develop into one.

There's a difference between untouchable and not wanting to trade. I don't want to trade Stepan but I don't think he should hold up a deal for someone who will keep an opponents defense at bay during the playoffs either.
the **** are you talking about doesnt look like he can ever be one?

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06-22-2012, 01:36 PM
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Really? Teams will make deals that they otherwise wouldn't make just to provide drama?
Ya dude. The NHL just got As The World Turns spot for the new soap opera. Next big news, Malkin screws Crosby's girlfriend. What will happen next!!

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I mean either he has it or he doesn't. He doesn't just disappear for the playoffs he disappears for the end of the season in general. Don't get me wrong, put him on a line with Kreider and I think we'll have instant chemistry, but I don't think he can be considered an untouchable. He's not a 1st line center and it doesn't look like he'll ever be able to develop into one.

There's a difference between untouchable and not wanting to trade. I don't want to trade Stepan but I don't think he should hold up a deal for someone who will keep an opponents defense at bay during the playoffs either.
Let me put it this way. Who centers the 2nd line if you trade Stepan?

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06-22-2012, 01:41 PM
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What do you mean he either "has it or he doesn't". Since when does a 22 year old have to have it all put together? Is he done learning? Getting stronger? I don't understand this logic and this isn't just directed at you KJ.

I swear, this generation who had video games and has been spoiled with some players making the NHL at a very young age don't understand the normal development path for a human athlete.

Derek Stepan had 51 points as a sophomore and 22 year old. 51. A normal 1st line center has around 60. 22 years old. 51 points. 60 points to be a 1st line center. Players hit their prime around 27.

People fail to realize that being a 1st line center =/= to Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin. Those players are superstars. Comparing all top-line forwards and defensemen to superstars is getting old.
Just like people expect MDZ to put up 70 points a season while being a solid defender at age 21. Kid was 18th in the NHL in scoring for a defenseman at age 21. Everyone expects him to be like Karlsson or Leetch...

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06-22-2012, 01:47 PM
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Let me put it this way. Who centers the 2nd line if you trade Stepan?
jordan staal!

realistically it would be either dubinsky or anisimov, but logically we don't move stepan unless in an extreme situation.

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06-22-2012, 01:50 PM
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Has this been mentioned?

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Darren Dreger on TSN.ca: The #NYRangers are at or near the top of the list of interested teams in Keith Yandle.

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06-22-2012, 01:51 PM
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@DarrenDreger accurate w/ report of NYR turning interest to Keith Yandle, Ottawa may be alone w/ Columbus re: Rick Nash right now.

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No, but thanks for posting that. Proves me right.

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Has this been mentioned?

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Darren Dreger on TSN.ca: The #NYRangers are at or near the top of the list of interested teams in Keith Yandle.
watch it be Dubinsky Zuccarello type deal.. that i can see something...maybe Bourque.


i really think Miller will stay and play 3 or 4th line to start season this fall...he is the type that i can see being a surprise to make the team..

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@DarrenDreger accurate w/ report of NYR turning interest to Keith Yandle, Ottawa may be alone w/ Columbus re: Rick Nash right now.
Lol. Howson is down to one team that Nash may not even waive for.

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06-22-2012, 01:54 PM
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A Phoenix Coyotes source downplayed the rumors, saying only that teams were calling on the star defenseman, not the other way around.

Yandle has four more years left on his deal, which carries a $5.25 million cap hit.

The Coyotes would be looking for a center in any deal they made involving Yandle, another source indicated.

A lot of teams would have interest in Yandle, and the New York Rangers are one of them. He’d be the power-play quarterback they’ve been looking for, no question.

The St. Louis Blues are in the market for a top-four, left-handed defenseman, so Yandle would certainly fill the bill as well.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...-in-trade-wars

Does every rumor have to name the Rangers as being interested in every player?

Unless Don really loves Dubinsky and/or AA,the Rangers don't have the type of center PHX wants

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I am certainly interested in Yandle.

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Adding Yandle prevents us from getting a scorer with his cap hit. I don't get this move, at all.

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Why Yandle? Does Sather think we wont be able to land schultz? Or does he do it to make del zotto/erixon expendable? We need scoring forwards

Dont like Yandle's cap hit at all

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06-22-2012, 02:01 PM
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Don took on Vermette at the deadline. Antoine was having a rough year in Columbus. He came in and just got better and better with Phoenix. Don likes Dubi and Anisimov. Both are centers.

I would rather go after Yandle and get him to solidify the top-4 than overpay for Rick Nash and his contract.

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yandle is a ****ing star. would immediately be our best defenseman and be a huge improvement to the offense. if we were to get him without giving up one of one of our bluechipers on D we'd without question have the best d corps in the league.

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maybe yandle would be a flip in another trade or allow us to move mdz without having to worry

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Yandle is a lefty. Where is the ice-time coming from with McDonagh and Staal on the left side? Not to mention Del Zotto who probably gets moved in some transaction if Yandle is acquired.

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Adding Yandle prevents us from getting a scorer with his cap hit. I don't get this move, at all.
(2) questions:

Who is the scorer (doesn't HAVE to be Ryan or Nash)

Who is going the other way? Dubinsky @ 4.2 for Yandle @ 5

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Yandle is a lefty. Where is the ice-time coming from with McDonagh and Staal on the left side? Not to mention Del Zotto who probably gets moved in some transaction if Yandle is acquired.
im sure they could find someone to move to the right

Yandle-McDonagh would be dynamite

i have such a yandle boner right now

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Don took on Vermette at the deadline. Antoine was having a rough year in Columbus. He came in and just got better and better with Phoenix. Don likes Dubi and Anisimov. Both are centers.

I would rather go after Yandle and get him to solidify the top-4 than overpay for Rick Nash and his contract.
Yandle is a helluva vision to have on that back end. Many notches above our growing Del Zotto and McDonagh.

However, with what McD has shown and if we do acquire Yandle that definitely makes MDZ expendable for that legit top 6 scorer whether it's Ryan or Nash, we'll see.

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Really? Teams will make deals that they otherwise wouldn't make just to provide drama?
Yep you nailed it, exactly what I was saying.

If teams are talking now about moving picks they may or may not announce until on the draft floor.

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06-22-2012, 02:06 PM
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Yandle is a lefty. Where is the ice-time coming from with McDonagh and Staal on the left side? Not to mention Del Zotto who probably gets moved in some transaction if Yandle is acquired.
I believe Yandle can, and does play the off-side on defense.

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