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06-22-2012, 02:36 PM
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It all depends on what the asking price is on both players.

Stepan + Anisimov + for Ryan?

Dubinsky + for Yandle?

Or are they similar packages? If they are similar I think we all agree we should sway towards Ryan, but I am not sure that is the case.
they want a number 2 center, so stepan. Unless they think dubi or aa is one

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Torts said he wanted to add d not subtract it and dubi + is not getting yandle
dubinsky and anisimov might get their attention though, idk.

id imagine yandle would return a lot

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Problem is Kreider, McTruck, and Girardi will all command probably 5 mil a year at least. MDZ could command the same. MDZ and McTruck are how old and they were both top 5 in +/-.
If kreider is 5m he better put up 30 goals

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If kreider is 5m he better put up 30 goals
Yeah highly doubt he get's 5m coming off his entry level deal.

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Problem is Kreider, McTruck, and Girardi will all command probably 5 mil a year at least. MDZ could command the same. MDZ and McTruck are how old and they were both top 5 in +/-.
Kreider isn't getting $5 M a year when his contract is up unless he scores 35+ goals in each of the next two seasons, which probably won't happen (but could).

MDZ won't get more than $3-3.5 M at this moment.

McDonagh would likely get between $3.5-4.5 M at his next contract if he doesn't start producing some offense as well. Look at Staal and Girardi's contracts at his age, they played D like he does and provided little offense.

Acquiring two big contracts would certainly hurt, but it wouldn't be as crippling as some here are making it seem.

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Also the way some people think stepan kreider mcd etc end up ceiling wise we couldn't afford them all anyway if they did

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I really wonder how competent Howson is. I mean--Flyers achilles heel since Pelle Lindberg died in an auto crash--must be 20-25 years ago has been in goal and it still is--so they trade for the backup netminder of a dysfunctional goalie tandem. How the **** do you think that is going to work out when your team is worse in just about every area than the Flyers? He couldn't displace Bryzgalov who had a fairly horrible year and now he gets to play for a much worse defense.
Ron Hextal (only player to win the Conn Smythe on a losing team) says "Hi"

Although your point is still valid.

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06-22-2012, 02:43 PM
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Ron Hextal (only player to win the Conn Smythe on a losing team) says "Hi"

Although your point is still valid.
Giguere won it on the losing team.

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Ron Hextal (only player to win the Conn Smythe on a losing team) says "Hi"

Although your point is still valid.
I believe JS Giguere won the Conn Smythe the year the Ducks lost to the Devils in the Cup.

edit: damn, beaten to it.

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Yandle is a lefty. Where is the ice-time coming from with McDonagh and Staal on the left side? Not to mention Del Zotto who probably gets moved in some transaction if Yandle is acquired.
I would bet that it's Anisimov going the other way (along with Erixon), and that we just want to get a PPQB meaning that Slats thinks its more valuble to have a functioning PP than 6 Ds playing in their natural position (although I am not sure if I believe that Yandle fix our PP, DZ is alright there, but like Yandle he isn't compatible with BR because there is no one time option for BR. We need a LH playmaker down low more than anything else to help our PP).

A long shot speculation is that Slats might be thinking of dealing Staal (like for Kane?).

Long **** speculation II is that it's a three-way of some sort.

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What "big time forward"? Howson wants the late-80's Oilers in return, Parise's gonna cost a fortune even without getting Yandle, E. Kane's not happening, no Radulov, everyone hates Semin, and you're bidding against everyone and their grandmother for Ryan (if he's even getting traded).
Howson will come back down to earth.

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Giguere won it on the losing team.
So did Roger Crozier, Glenn Hall, and Reggie Leach.

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That's my thinking. I think he may be getting Yandle to make Staal more expendable in a deal with Anaheim or Columbus.

We know Maloney likes Dubinksy do I see him going to PHX if a deal goes down.

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That's my thinking. I think he may be getting Yandle to make Staal more expendable in a deal with Anaheim or Columbus.

We know Maloney likes Dubinksy do I see him going to PHX if a deal goes down.
Yandle + Ryan for staal + dubi? That's very intriguing

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I think if Yandle is brought in it means MDZ is on the way out, highly doubt it's Staal. Unless it's Staal to Carolina for Skinner

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yandle is a ****ing star. would immediately be our best defenseman and be a huge improvement to the offense. if we were to get him without giving up one of one of our bluechipers on D we'd without question have the best d corps in the league.
He didn't play like a star last year, He would have been a 3-4 on Rangers. Sorry but the reason he is available is that he had a lousy year last season.

Coyotes want a premium forward, not a 3 or 4 for 1. Just don't see a match here.


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I like Yandle as a player a lot, but I don't really understand the interest unless:

1. It is a smokescreen to indicate to Howson that we've 100% moved on.
2. MDZ/Staal are on their way out, in Staal's case potentially for Ryan.

As good as he is, tying up another $5M+ in a LH defenseman is kinda hard to believe.
There's always the chance that another team is involved as a third party. Could leave a few options:

1. Keep Yandle and go cheaper on upgrading the forwards
2. Trade for Yandle and immediately flip him to another team who needs a D-man and has a surplus of wingers, but not enough centers to make the deal themselves.
3. Deal Staal or Del Zotto (probably Del Zotto, IMO) for a few promising assets.

Like Bob said. Yandle wasn't exactly spectacular last year.

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Howson will come back down to earth.
I wouldn't be so sure..... I think he is confused. Normally a team trades their star player, when they are trying to rebuild.

The GM knows that the move will hurt the team in the short term, but will help them in the long run.

Howson doesn't seem to get this, with what he is demanding he wants a team like the Rangers to both make his team better now and in the future.

The thing is why would anybody want to be involved in a deal that makes your team worse now and in the future. Nobody does.


Even look at the Bobrovsky deal he just completed, yes Bobrovsky is only 23, but when have you ever known a rebuilding team to give up 3 Draft Picks? Especially a Second Rounder 35th Overall?

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Ron Hextal (only player to win the Conn Smythe on a losing team) says "Hi"

Although your point is still valid.
Wrong. John Sebastian Giguere as well vs the Devils in 2003.

Damn 2 others beat me too it

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There's always the chance that another team is involved as a third party. Could leave a few options:

1. Keep Yandle and go cheaper on upgrading the forwards
2. Trade for Yandle and immediately flip him to another team who needs a D-man and has a surplus of wingers, but not enough centers to make the deal themselves.
3. Deal Staal or Del Zotto (probably Del Zotto, IMO) for a few promising assets.
Was thinking this except CLB doesn't want a D supposedly but would probably take him in place of Dubinsky, and Anaheim has plenty of offensive D. Unless someone else we don't know about is available.

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Giguere won it on the losing team.
I totally forgot Giggy!

Thank you.

"One of two..."

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I totally forgot Giggy!

Thank you.

"One of two..."
Actually one of five.

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I wouldn't be so sure..... I think he is confused. Normally a team trades their star player, when they are trying to rebuild.

The GM knows that the move will hurt the team in the short term, but will help them in the long run.

Howson doesn't seem to get this, with what he is demanding he wants a team like the Rangers to both make his team better now and in the future.

The thing is why would anybody want to be involved in a deal that makes your team worse now and in the future. Nobody does.
Common sense is not so common?

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Was thinking this except CLB doesn't want a D supposedly but would probably take him in place of Dubinsky, and Anaheim has plenty of offensive D. Unless someone else we don't know about is available.
Doesn't have to be one of those teams. St. Louis could use a lefty. Boston could use a lefty. Tampa Bay needs help on D. Heck, most of the teams in our own division could use an upgrade on D, haha.

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Yandle + Ryan for staal + dubi? That's very intriguing
It's not intriguing. It's a fairy tale.

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