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06-21-2012, 10:57 PM
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RT @DMaetzMedia: Just ran into former #CBJ coach Scott Arniel in Pittsburgh. He says reports of his hiring w/ #sjsharks are not accurate.


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RT @DMaetzMedia: Just ran into former #CBJ coach Scott Arniel in Pittsburgh. He says reports of his hiring w/ #sjsharks are not accurate.


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RT @DMaetzMedia: Just ran into former #CBJ coach Scott Arniel in Pittsburgh. He says reports of his hiring w/ #sjsharks are not accurate.


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That's what they all say before they sign a contract.

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I don't mean to 'keep piling on' but I honestly mean this, how? I mean, maybe he works out, but if you are basing the hiring on things like:

PK coaching... hrm, nope.
PP coaching... again, terrible.
Professionalism... hahaha

If it works out, someone made a seriously impressive gut call, cause the evidence would seem to point to him being the worst possible choice. (among 'qualified people' of course. Any of us would technically be 'worse')
You're also only using a year and a half of body work as a head coach of one of the worst teams in the league in terms of talent. You're also putting the entirety of their failures on him when we both know that responsibilities for particular aspects of the game fall to different coaches. And we're also assuming that his failures as a head coach in that year and a half is some sort of predictor of how he'll handle an assistant job.

The evidence doesn't point to anything as a choice. You don't get to a head coaching position without having some sort of track record to get you the interview, let alone the job.

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06-21-2012, 11:16 PM
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The evidence doesn't point to anything as a choice. You don't get to a head coaching position without having some sort of track record to get you the interview, let alone the job.
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So DW's brilliant idea to fix the PK is to bring in a guy who coached the team with the worst PK in the league?


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So DW's brilliant idea to fix the PK is to bring in a guy who coached the team with the worst PK in the league?

Are people really looking at this so simplistically?

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06-21-2012, 11:37 PM
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You're also only using a year and a half of body work as a head coach of one of the worst teams in the league in terms of talent. You're also putting the entirety of their failures on him when we both know that responsibilities for particular aspects of the game fall to different coaches. And we're also assuming that his failures as a head coach in that year and a half is some sort of predictor of how he'll handle an assistant job.

The evidence doesn't point to anything as a choice. You don't get to a head coaching position without having some sort of track record to get you the interview, let alone the job.
The big thing is Columbus is a complete clusterquack of a team. Case in point, Todd Richards was hired as the head coach WITHOUT anyone being seriously considered, interviewed, etc.

I'm not going to say everything with the CBJ was Arniel's fault, for clearly it is not. But, he did not leave a good impression with me during his tenure, either. I don't think he is head coach material yet. Perhaps his time as an assistant with San Jose or wherever he ends up will do him good, but he has a lot to learn to make himself better.

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The big thing is Columbus is a complete clusterquack of a team. Case in point, Todd Richards was hired as the head coach WITHOUT anyone being seriously considered, interviewed, etc.

I'm not going to say everything with the CBJ was Arniel's fault, for clearly it is not. But, he did not leave a good impression with me during his tenure, either. I don't think he is head coach material yet. Perhaps his time as an assistant with San Jose or wherever he ends up will do him good, but he has a lot to learn to make himself better.
I would assume he didn't leave a good impression but he's not being asked to be a head coach here so I don't see how he did as one with probably the worst organization to be one should be held against him for an assistant gig especially when it was only a year and a half.

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I would assume he didn't leave a good impression but he's not being asked to be a head coach here so I don't see how he did as one with probably the worst organization to be one should be held against him for an assistant gig especially when it was only a year and a half.
Depends on what he would be asked to do as the AC. If he's just a figure head to bounce things off of, he might be fine. If he has significant responsibility, then I do feel his tenure with Columbus has to factor in. It just comes down to what T-Mac wants his coaching staff setup to be. I still maintain that Arniel has a lot to learn to be HC material, so depending on how the setup would be with the Sharks, he may be afforded that opportunity to learn.

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Depends on what he would be asked to do as the AC. If he's just a figure head to bounce things off of, he might be fine. If he has significant responsibility, then I do feel his tenure with Columbus has to factor in. It just comes down to what T-Mac wants his coaching staff setup to be. I still maintain that Arniel has a lot to learn to be HC material, so depending on how the setup would be with the Sharks, he may be afforded that opportunity to learn.
All assistants are given significant responsibilities. There's no such thing as a guy that is just a sounding board. But his head coaching tenure in Columbus doesn't negate the experience he has prior to that.

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All assistants are given significant responsibilities. There's no such thing as a guy that is just a sounding board. But his head coaching tenure in Columbus doesn't negate the experience he has prior to that.
They do exist in sports. See: Dallas Cowboys. (Heck, even the HC there is a puppet!)

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I hear what you guys are saying, but remember I am the guy who's been saying IT IS in fact McLellan's fault. The buck stops there as it were. I don't care who was coaching what, McLellan was the one who put those people in charge, allowed them to remain in charge, and oversaw the utter failure of a season.

So yes, Arniel is at least, in large part, to blame. Even a poor team can have a good PK. We had a great roster, and our's was terrible. Montreal sucked and had one of the best.

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we NEED a PK coach who is at least above average... "more experience than Woodcroft" and "he's had some success at prior jobs... just disregard his last one" sound like a very, very low bar to set for a new hire

who knows, maybe Arniel isn't the worst PK coach in the league... there's always many variables that go into the PK

but I find it hard to believe that if he was above average at coaching the PK (which is what we're looking for), he'd be able to get more out of his team (no matter how bad it is) than dead last...

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I hear what you guys are saying, but remember I am the guy who's been saying IT IS in fact McLellan's fault. The buck stops there as it were. I don't care who was coaching what, McLellan was the one who put those people in charge, allowed them to remain in charge, and oversaw the utter failure of a season.

So yes, Arniel is at least, in large part, to blame. Even a poor team can have a good PK. We had a great roster, and our's was terrible. Montreal sucked and had one of the best.
Montreal has this guy named Carey Price...the Sharks have Antii Niemi. Not saying that goalies are the be all and end all of the PK but tell me who would you feel comfortable with? And yes we all know you've been blaming TMac for the shortcomings of the Sharks. Its much deeper than just TMac.

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Montreal has this guy named Carey Price...the Sharks have Antii Niemi. Not saying that goalies are the be all and end all of the PK but tell me who would you feel comfortable with? And yes we all know you've been blaming TMac for the shortcomings of the Sharks. Its much deeper than just TMac.
It had just as much if not more to do with the defense. Really weak sauce back there... although Stuart does improve things somewhat.' At least he gives the Sharks more options against power forwards

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It had just as much if not more to do with the defense. Really weak sauce back there... although Stuart does improve things somewhat.' At least he gives the Sharks more options against power forwards
Hmmm I don't know about the defense being "weak sauce"...I thought the forwards were far worse on the PK than the defense were.

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This board is becoming more and more like the official sharks board.

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This board is becoming more and more like the official sharks board.
I've noticed the same. Or sharks fans are becoming ultra critical because of the lack of 'expected' playoff success these past few years

The guy said he wasn't hired. Can't believe everything that is said to the media but there it is. Cool the jets for a bit and enjoy the draft.

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