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06-21-2012, 09:33 PM
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Bouwmeester to NSH

ASSUMING Suter doesn't re-sign, the Preds would need a top pairing dman immediately. Roman Josi will get there, but he'll need another year or two.

What would it take? Would a deal centered around Blum or Ellis+ be an enticing place to start?

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ASSUMING Suter doesn't re-sign, the Preds would need a top pairing dman immediately. Roman Josi will get there, but he'll need another year or two.

What would it take? Would a deal centered around Blum or Ellis+ be an enticing place to start?
Definitely. I think there could be something there for sure. I'm not that familiar with Nashville's prospect base, but I'm sure Calgary would be interested in those assets you mentioned for sure.


Ellis and the 37th pick?

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Definitely. I think there could be something there for sure. I'm not that familiar with Nashville's prospect base, but I'm sure Calgary would be interested in those assets you mentioned for sure.


Ellis and the 37th pick?
I'd be super down

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Would a deal of Bouwmeester and Backlund for Blum and Wilson be doable?

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Would a deal of Bouwmeester and Backlund for Blum and Wilson be doable?
That's tempting, but I don't know if Nashville can afford to trade in Wilson for a center with less offensive upside.

Wilson's skill is evident, it's just maturity he needs to settle out.

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That's tempting, but I don't know if Nashville can afford to trade in Wilson for a center with less offensive upside.

Wilson's skill is evident, it's just maturity he needs to settle out.
Your last sentence holds true for Backlund as well. While he doesn't have 'quite' the same skill set as Wilson, a little patience in the right environment could go a long way. I think Backlund would do well in Nashville and could develop into a 50-55 point centreman (maybe better with the right linemates). He is also defensively sound and his play is actually quite suited to the Preds system.

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Personally, I'd like to see Wilson or Josi involved. Then again I dont know Nashville's prospect cupboard much past Watson, Ellis, Josi and Wilson

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Would a deal of Bouwmeester and Backlund for Blum and Wilson be doable?
Would much rather do Jbo + Backlund + for Ellis and Wilson not that high on blum.

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For a team as fiscally tight and responsible as Nashville, I have a hard time seeing them kick the tires on a guy like Jbo.

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I'd much prefer to pick up Martin for less and use Wilson + Ellis + whatever to pick up Bobby Ryan or other offensive help.

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Would much rather do Jbo + Backlund + for Ellis and Wilson not that high on blum.
I'd still probably do that to, but still prefer Blum. While Brodie doesn't have quite the offensive upside that Ellis has, he plays a more similar style to Ellis than Blum and is more similar in physical stature. Having 2 players similar players like that potentially in our top 4 down the road would make us an easy team to play against. For that reason alone, I would choose Blum.

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The preds can't resign Suter but they're going to pick up Bouwmeester's contract? Why not just offer a little more money to Suter?

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I'd still probably do that to, but still prefer Blum. While Brodie doesn't have quite the offensive upside that Ellis has, he plays a more similar style to Ellis than Blum and is more similar in physical stature. Having 2 players similar players like that potentially in our top 4 down the road would make us an easy team to play against. For that reason alone, I would choose Blum.
Blum is to years older doesn't hit as much and isn't as good as a break out passer (from what I have seen). I don't think having to offensive players matters as long as they don't play together they just need a more defensive player with them. I am not a huge fan of Blum's game and if we get Ellis than we have are top 4 defenseman set for the next few years.

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The preds can't resign Suter but they're going to pick up Bouwmeester's contract? Why not just offer a little more money to Suter?
Money's not the only reason players choose to sign with particular teams. Maybe Suter simply finds a better suitor.

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Blum is to years older doesn't hit as much and isn't as good as a break out passer (from what I have seen). I don't think having to offensive players matters as long as they don't play together they just need a more defensive player with them. I am not a huge fan of Blum's game and if we get Ellis than we have are top 4 defenseman set for the next few years.
I hear what you are saying, (and granted Blum isn't an overly physical dman) but I can foresee a potential match up nightmare for the Flames when going up against teams like Boston/LA with having Brodie and Ellis in the top 4. But like I said, if that's the offer I'd still probably do it, as you said we would really need to provide them with an excellent supporting cast.

I will say though I disagree about Blum and his first pass. From what I've seen he is extremely intelligent and makes excellent decisions for a guy his age. Yes he needs more time to develop this skill at the NHL level, but I think he will become a solid top 4 guy.

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I hear what you are saying, (and granted Blum isn't an overly physical dman) but I can foresee a potential match up nightmare for the Flames when going up against teams like Boston/LA with having Brodie and Ellis in the top 4. But like I said, if that's the offer I'd still probably do it, as you said we would really need to provide them with an excellent supporting cast.

I will say though I disagree about Blum and his first pass. From what I've seen he is extremely intelligent and makes excellent decisions for a guy his age. Yes he needs more time to develop this skill at the NHL level, but I think he will become a solid top 4 guy.
I might be abit harsh on Blum but Ellis has the potential to be a top offensive defenseman Blum will be a nice top 4 defenseman but not top of anything. I would target top end talent and if in a few years we are to weak on the backend we make a trade.

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I might be abit harsh on Blum but Ellis has the potential to be a top offensive defenseman Blum will be a nice top 4 defenseman but not top of anything. I would target top end talent and if in a few years we are to weak on the backend we make a trade.
I agree, now Feaster get a deal done!

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I personally am not a big fan of Ellis, I don't think his success in the CHL will transfer into the NHL. I would rather keep Bouwmeester.

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I personally am not a big fan of Ellis, I don't think his success in the CHL will transfer into the NHL. I would rather keep Bouwmeester.
He had a ppg of .333 while Brodie had a ppg of .278 and he is a year younger. I think Ellis has a much better chance in the nhl than Brodie does.


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The preds can't resign Suter but they're going to pick up Bouwmeester's contract? Why not just offer a little more money to Suter?
Because, maybe, just maybe, Suter decides he wants to move on from the Predators. Yes, I know, it's shocking to discover that players also have a say in where they want to play and money doesn't solve everything.

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Money's not the only reason players choose to sign with particular teams. Maybe Suter simply finds a better suitor.
I see what you did there

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He had a ppg of .333 while Brodie had a ppg of .278 and he is a year younger. I think Ellis has a much better chance in the nhl than Brodie does.
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Because, maybe, just maybe, Suter decides he wants to move on from the Predators. Yes, I know, it's shocking to discover that players also have a say in where they want to play and money doesn't solve everything.
Correct. Poile has said that the Preds can spend to the cap this year. The issue with Suter isn't money. JBo would actually be cheaper than what they've offered Suter.

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Who said that he said his offensive game wouldn't translate and I was showing it has translated better than Brodie given they play in the same situations.

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