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06-22-2012, 04:09 AM
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2012 Wimbledon

Draw going on at the moment on the radio feed. Djokovic and Federer in the same half again. Ferrero up against Djokovic first round. Djokovic's draw sounds fairly tough at the moment. Lu in the second round and Stepanek in the third as I understand it. Gulbis vs. Berdych first round. Sounds like Mahut narrowly avoided another clash with Isner. Nalbandian vs. Tipsarevic. Dustin Brown vs. Ferrer. British wild card Jamie Baker playing Roddick. Cilic vs. Stebe. Pospisil playing Querrey. Raonic vs. Giraldo. Davydenko vs. Murray. Tsonga vs. Hewitt. Goffin vs. Tomic. Fish got a nice draw on his return, playing Ramirez Hidalgo. Brian Baker did as well, playing Machado. Ebden vs. Paire. And my god, Haas vs. Kohlschreiber first round. **** you, Uncle Toni. Bellucci vs. Nadal.


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06-22-2012, 04:36 AM
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Tough draw for Fognini on his route to the final. Faces Llodra in the first round and Federer in the second. Still, I have faith in him.

The quarter pairs are Djokovic-Berdych, Federer-Tipsarevic, Ferrer-Murray, and Tsonga-Nadal. Djokovic and Nadal obviously have the toughest draws in that regard. Still, I wouldn't even look past Tipsarevic with how Fed has returned serve on grass lately. Hopefully Youzhny (or Nalbandian) come out of that section.

Isner-Mahut second round. Cilic the potential third round opponent for Raonic. Hmm, not a good matchup for Milos I think. Cilic usually does well against big servers. I think Murray has the toughest route to the quarters overall.


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06-22-2012, 05:31 AM
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Raonic and Pospsil (vs Querrey) potential second round match. That would be cool. Likewise for Wozinak and Dubois.

So only 4 Canadians in the main draws and they both could play second round matches against each other.

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Just took a quick look at the men's side, and it doesn't look like any of the top four have an especially tough draw. How can that be?

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Women's Side

Sharapova/Kerber
Radwanska/Stosur
Williams/Kvitova
Wozniacki/Azarenka

Sharapova/Radwanska
Williams/Azarenka

Sharapova/Williams

Sharapova

Wozniacki would be a candidate to go before the quarters, but there is not much competition in her quarter except for Bartoli who seems to be having an off year. Once she gets to the quarters, Kvitova has a beastly draw, needing to, on paper anyway, defeat Serena, Azarenka and Sharapova to retain her crown. The fates certainly didn't make it easy for the defending champion.

Men's Side

Djokovic/Berdych
Federer/Tipsarevic (thought about Isner here, but Janko actually has a better record on grass)
Del Potro/Murray (flipped a coin between Del P and Ferrer, who's not that bad on grass--neither player has been beyond the 4th round here)
Tsonga/Nadal

Djokovic/Federer
Murray/Nadal

Djokovic/Murray

Murray

The logic, such as it is: if Andy is ever going to win at Wimbledon, it will be a year in which he comes out of the blue, so to speak. I don't think expectations are all that high for him in GB (though tabloids will pound the drum), so if it's going to happen, this might be the year. He ain't getting any younger.


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06-22-2012, 11:23 AM
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Links to men's and women's draws. Gosh the new Wimbledon website is terrible.

Anyway, the draw rigging just to stir up interest is so blatant. Consider how four of the top eight seeds are playing old former slam champions or top five players - Ferrero, Nalbandian, Hewitt, and Davydenko - and how we once again face the prospect of Isner/Mahut in the second round.

Murray's draw is a lot harder than it could have been, especially considering that grass is still the surface friendliest to a big serve. Davydenko - while out of form, never great on grass, and not the player he once was - is a tougher draw than many. Murray would then likely face Karlovic, Anderson, Cilic or Raonic, and maybe Delpo. For sure, those are all beatable players for him, but it's certainly a lot tougher than having your path paved with clay court specialists.

There are some interesting names in the first three rounds for Djokovic, but realistically no stand-out threat before his potential encounter with Berdych in the quarterfinal.

Fed did very nicely for himself. I'd say he has the easiest draw this time. The fact that Llodra is the most prominent grass court threat in his potential first four rounds should attest to that clearly enough. Looking at the bottom half of his quarter, I think there's at least a decent chance of a surprise opponent or someone he'd match up very nicely against in the quarterfinal.


Nadal's quarter looks somewhat difficult. It's another bad draw in a slam for Hewitt to have to play Tsonga in the first round. I don't think it's reasonable to expect much of Hewitt anyway with how little he has played this year. Tsonga injured a finger in Queen's, but apparently not as severely as he first thought. It's uncertain if he can rediscover his form of Roland Garros, or if that loss is still weighing on him mentally. Tomic drew nicely for a few rounds assuming his results in Eastbourne and Halle can be chalked up to fleeting interest and not to stomach cramps or more severe physical problems. Fish is the other seed in his immediate section, and he likely won't be in top form coming off heart surgery and all his poor play earlier in the year. Kohlschreiber or Haas would be the likely third round opponent for Nadal, and while both did well in Halle, and Haas in particular looks to be in top form, I don't see him seriously pushing Rafa considering the matchup and how their previous matches have played out. Hopefully I'm wrong.

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06-22-2012, 11:44 AM
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Men's Side

Djokovic/Berdych
Federer/Tipsarevic (thought about Isner here, but Janko actually has a better record on grass)
Del Potro/Murray (flipped a coin between Del P and Ferrer, who's not that bad on grass--neither player has been beyond the 4th round here)
Tsonga/Nadal

Djokovic/Federer
Murray/Nadal

Djokovic/Murray

Murray

The logic, such as it is: if Andy is ever going to win at Wimbledon, it will be a year in which he comes out of the blue, so to speak. I don't think expectations are all that high for him in GB (though tabloids will pound the drum), so if it's going to happen, this might be the year. He ain't getting any younger.
Very bold. With any luck for Murray, the tabloids will be too distracted by the Euros to drum up much interest either. Oddly enough, I was just the other day giving serious thought to Murray actually winning this. For me, all the top three have serious question marks: Djokovic isn't in near the same form as 2011 and he's far from as good on grass as he is elsewhere, Nadal hasn't won off clay since Tokyo 2010 (despite limited grass court events, where he fares better than on hard), and Fed showed once again in Halle how badly his return and overall game has aged on grass. On the other hand, I think Murray played more offensively in Melbourne and Paris than he did in other events this year, which I think shows that he isn't totally comfortable with the changes which Lendl has asked him to make.

Another thing to keep in mind is that every year for at least the past ten someone from outside the top ten seeds has made the semifinals. While it looks bleak this year, it seems Wimbledon is less susceptible to the cookie cutter top four semis we seem to see everywhere else.

Also, you think Sharapova is finally going to get that elusive third win against Serena? That's even bolder.

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06-22-2012, 12:22 PM
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Also, you think Sharapova is finally going to get that elusive third win against Serena? That's even bolder.
Complicated reasoning, though. I just think Maria is playing really well right now, and I'm not sure what we get with Serena on this surface at this stage of her career. She's had a funny sort of run since winning Toronto, losing to a lot of lesser lights on hard courts but playing very well on clay.

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Why the **** are Novak and Roger in the same draw every single time? It just doesn't make sense statistically.

Nole has a tough draw, I think. Berdych is definitely a very tricky opponent. Depends on what kind of day Tomas is having.

Nadal-Tsonga should be good, but health is an issue for Jo.

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Ah yes, another year for Murray to get our hopes up only to fail at the Semi-final stage.

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06-24-2012, 06:16 AM
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Picks for the first week:
Djokovic
Chardy
Gasquet
Berdych
Federer
Malisse
Seppi
Youzhny
Ferrer
Del Potro
Cilic
Murray
Tsonga
Tomic
Lopez
Nadal

Upset potential: Berdych, Tipsarevic

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Just started watching to find Young up a set and a break on Youzhny. Looks like he has actually broken twice in the second, but Youzhny has broken right back both times. Now back on serve.

Order has now been restored. Young lost five straight games - three on serve - to end the set. Misha stopped making lazy errors and just pushing his backhand, and Young's serve percentage predictably dropped.

Ferrero-Djokovic is exciting. Too bad Nalbandian-Tipsarevic is going on at the same time.


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Loose second service game from Djokovic. A missed smash, a missed short sitting forehand, a double fault, and a couple of errors from the baseline gave Ferrero four breaks points, and finally Ferrero breaks wrong-footing Novak with an inside-out forehand and causing him to slip. Gets it right back though with much better play. 2-2. I don't think grass will take well to the meandering form Novak has shown the past two slams, and I think at some point in these Championships it will cost him.

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Ah yes, another year for Murray to get our hopes up only to fail at the Semi-final stage.
Another year for the rest of the world to listen to the Brits clammer on about Murray when the rest of us know he isn't going to win anything

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Novak cleaned up nicely at the end of the set. Won eight of the last nine points, finishing the set on a second serve ace.

Nalbandian-Tipsarevic is shaping up to be a good match. Tipsarevic broke Nalbandian for *3-2, but since then David has had five break points and had an easier time on serve. Tipsarevic now serving for the set at *5-4, and holds at love. 6-4.

Llodra took the first set 6-3 over Fog. Youzhny won the third 6-2 against Young.

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Why do players apologise for miss-hitting the ball??

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Why do players apologise for miss-hitting the ball??
It's just customary in tennis to apologize for luck.

Tipsarevic broke Nalbandian in the first game of the second. I'm not sure what happened, but it looks like David is still playing pretty well. Anyway, it's now *3-2.

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Haha. Nalbandian rightly giving Maria ****. Tipsarevic motioned to challenge after he mis-hit a ball that landed on the baseline, but Maria overruled and called it out a moment later, forcing Nalbandian to challenge (successfully). Would have given David another break point. The point was replayed (and Nalbandian lost it), as it wouldn't have been if Maria hadn't been influenced by Tipsarevic and had just accepted the original challenge. Janko ended up holding for 5-3.

David held at love and finally broke Tipsarevic at 15 to bring the score to 5-5. 1/9 on BPs so far. Goes down 0-30 in the ensuing game, but hits two very nice serves for 30-30 and wins the next two to hold. 6-5.

Meanwhile Djokovic finished off Ferrero 6-3, 6-3, 6-1.


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Venus Williams goes out

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You have to wonder how much longer she'll be around.

Uhhh, terrible tiebreak. Tipsarevic attacked Nalbandian's second serve at *3-4 and hit great deep returns for *6-3. Nalbandian does much the same thing for *6-4, but hits a neutral slice backhand long in the rally. 2 sets to Tipsarevic. Match still isn't over though.


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Not sure how Klizan-Chela, Troicki-Granollers, and Mayer-Monaco all made it onto televised courts but Fognini-Llodra didn't.

Nalbandian finds his way out of a 0-30 hole. Now 2-2 in the third. Next game faces 0-40, and finally saves a couple of BPs - five in fact - but Janko gets him on the sixth with another great backhand return. What a difference their respective serves have made in this match.

Simon-Mathieu should be interesting. Mathieu down a set but up a break.


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Fog beat Llodra in four. Blake is out as expected. PHM retired near the end of the second. Another injury from what I could glean from the Italian commentator.

Tipsarevic broke Nalbandian again for the match, 6-2 in the third. Nalbandian probably had 15-30 in 8-10 Tipsarevic service games, but Janko served very well at key moments, and broke in every game where he had an opportunity to do so.

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Seeing Venus out in the 1st round is weird. Time gone for her?

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Why do players apologise for miss-hitting the ball??
Once the ball is in play, players also apologize if the ball hits the net and falls over the side into their opponent's court for what usually is an outright winner. It's a good example of a totally empty ritual which only continues because that's the way it has always been.

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A rare Gulbis sighting today. Can't wait.

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