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06-22-2012, 03:51 PM
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Oh wait...I read that as a 2nd round pick but you meant it as the 2nd overall. That's better...but still a no. Much closer though.
Yeah, I thought that was clear. This was "lots of young parts" for Nash and Galchenyuk, not Nash and a 2nd rounder.

I know I put a lot in on the Sabres side, but I was kind of surprised the responses were so immediately negative.

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Galchenyuk getting Ennis' minutes would work for me. I still think to get something done, it's going to take one or the other of him or Hodgson.
I really, really doubt that after stealing Hodgson (and Sulzer) from the Nucks that they would offer him up. Skating technique, agility and even speed can be improved with the right skating coach/instructor (Stephanie Hanlon comes to mind).

But the ability to see the ice and make incredible feeds is almost inborn and very limited in this league. Which means my money would be on Ennis being moved rather than CoHo.

That would make me sad at least temporarily. However, there's lots of upside if it nets a high potential superstar.

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Being this is HFB, there have been a lot of pretty one sided proposes tossed out

This one tops that.
Seriously? I would strongly consider doing that.

We lose nothing off the current roster except Leino -> Nash.

Chances are good when get our pick of the forwards. This team is already loaded on defense and I'd gladly trade Armia for the 2nd overall pick.

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Yeah, I thought that was clear. This was "lots of young parts" for Nash and Galchenyuk, not Nash and a 2nd rounder.

I know I put a lot in on the Sabres side, but I was kind of surprised the responses were so immediately negative.
When I first read it I saw it as Nash + 2nd rounder...I think others have done the same.

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Why you guys would want to tie up $15 million in cap space between two guys that hover around 70 points is beyond me.

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Seriously? I would strongly consider doing that.

We lose nothing off the current roster except Leino -> Nash.

Chances are good when get our pick of the forwards. This team is already loaded on defense and I'd gladly trade Armia for the 2nd overall pick.
When Nash is 32 and carrying a $7.8M cap hit on the decline, I think your tune would change.

Going after the 2nd overall pick, maybe some of that move makes sense. However, what you have to give up for Nash isn't going to be worth what you get back.

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06-22-2012, 04:06 PM
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Why you guys would want to tie up $15 million in cap space between two guys that hover around 70 points is beyond me.
Well, if Galchenyuk is putting up another 70 points on a rookie deal, we're looking pretty good for the next few years. By the time you have to pay Galchenyuk, Vanek's deal will be up, and you can reevaluate.

As for having two overpriced 70 point players, the Kings added a couple of similar "overpriced" forwards to a fringe playoff team and they won the cup. If Galchenyuk became our Kopitar, we wouldn't be that much different.

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No interest in Nash. Work out a deal for the #2 pick, sure, but cap and production for the Great Whitenorth Hope, just not interested.

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Why you guys would want to tie up $15 million in cap space between two guys that hover around 70 points is beyond me.
Whoops, I misinterpreted who you were talking about. Never mind.

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When Nash is 32 and carrying a $7.8M cap hit on the decline, I think your tune would change.

Going after the 2nd overall pick, maybe some of that move makes sense. However, what you have to give up for Nash isn't going to be worth what you get back.
Nash with a $7.8M hit at age 32 might be a lot better than Leino with a $4.5M hit at age 33.

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Well, if Galchenyuk is putting up another 70 points on a rookie deal, we're looking pretty good for the next few years. By the time you have to pay Galchenyuk, Vanek's deal will be up, and you can reevaluate.

As for having two overpriced 70 point players, the Kings added a couple of similar "overpriced" forwards to a fringe playoff team and they won the cup. If Galchenyuk became our Kopitar, we wouldn't be that much different.
Who has ever called Richards and Carter overpriced?

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Nash?

No.

And let me repeat by saying.....



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Nash with a $7.8M hit at age 32 might be a lot better than Leino with a $4.5M hit at age 33.
Herpes might be a lot better than syphilis, but I'm in no hurry to acquire either one...

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Herpes might be a lot better than syphilis, but I'm in no hurry to acquire either one...
True, but you already contracted one of them last summer.

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Columbus would laugh at that trade. The Sabres would be crazy not to take that. Leino has negative value and the 2nd rounders + Brennan are filler. Armia and McNabb aren't getting Nash plus moving from #12 to #2. And to top it off we're trading quarters for a dollar as the Columbus assets are by far and away the most two valuable in the package.

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Why you guys would want to tie up $15 million in cap space between two guys that hover around 70 points is beyond me.
yea, like... who would want to tie up 15 million in Kopitar and Toews....

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Columbus would laugh at that trade. The Sabres would be crazy not to take that. Leino has negative value and the 2nd rounders + Brennan are filler. Armia and McNabb aren't getting Nash plus moving from #12 to #2. And to top it off we're trading quarters for a dollar as the Columbus assets are by far and away the most two valuable in the package.
This is a false statement.

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yea, like... who would want to tie up 15 million in Kopitar and Toews....
I sure hope that wasn't an attempt at relevance.

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Columbus would laugh at that trade. The Sabres would be crazy not to take that. Leino has negative value and the 2nd rounders + Brennan are filler. Armia and McNabb aren't getting Nash plus moving from #12 to #2. And to top it off we're trading quarters for a dollar as the Columbus assets are by far and away the most two valuable in the package.
Maybe CBJ would laugh, but I only suggested this trade because this got me thinking:

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http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/

Portzline in his blog states, "Howson indicated that any trade that sends the Blue Jackets down a few spots on the draft board would probably be for additional picks, not a player who could provide immediate help."

We have plenty of picks to offer.
Two blue chip prospects, another near NHL-ready D prospect, and 3 picks seems like it fits Howson's desire for "additional picks."

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I sure hope that wasn't an attempt at relevance.
it was sarcasm dripping with "don't be so general"

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This is a false statement.
You think any team would even give a 7th for a 29 year old winger making 4.5 a year for 5 more seasons who is coming off a 25 point season? He has no value.

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This is a false statement.
probably better off with "i disagree", rather than trying to make unprovable opinions into facts/falsehoods

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Howson was offered some REALLY good packages at the deadline for Nash, and rejected them. He's setting the bar STUPIDLY high, and it's not going to be worth the asking price.

Then again, he's a moron who just gave up the farm for Bob-O, so who knows. :p

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Howson was offered some REALLY good packages at the deadline for Nash, and rejected them. He's setting the bar STUPIDLY high, and it's not going to be worth the asking price.

Then again, he's a moron who just gave up the farm for Bob-O, so who knows. :p
really?
2nd, 4th, 4th is barely a deadlines worth of rental assets

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