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04-22-2012, 11:45 AM
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All Yakupov/1st to your team V 2.0

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What would you give up for the 1st overall from EDM or to move into the top 5 picks?

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04-22-2012, 11:47 AM
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IMO proposals
EDM 1st for CLB 1st+2nd+mid-prospect
EDM 1st for MTL 1st+Beaulieu
EDM 1st for NYI 1st+2nd+De Haan
EDM 1st for TML 1st+Schenn

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04-22-2012, 11:52 AM
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Following on the BOS-EDM stuff, would Rask, Hamilton, 2nd work?

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04-22-2012, 12:03 PM
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This was a post in Dubinsky to Edmonton, which came to conclusion he's not going to Oilers unless a sniper is involved, which further realized that sniper might possibly only be the 1st (Yakupov). This is summary of what I gather is consensus to date:

Just to keep track, it is my understanding both sides generally agree as to consensus:

1. All snipers except 1st are off the table.
2 Oilers want McD which is automatic NO, even for Hall/RNH straight up.
3 Oilers consider Yakupov for reasonable massive overpayment, since Rangers will not offer unreasonable one.
4. Such a package would basically be a core of Girardi + Stepan + (possibly Dubinsky) for Yakupov +(possibly Tyler Pitlick).
5. Oilers want 2 D for their F, rangers want 1 D for 1 F, but will add other than another top D (in shortage).

The debate is now:
a) what should that + be for both sides
b) is that best deal for Oilers (that Rangers can live with)
c) are Oilers better off keeping Yakupov (although it is not certain and we are guessing as to potential, the less speculative assumption is Yakupov is more like Parise than Stamkos).

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04-22-2012, 12:18 PM
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Following on the BOS-EDM stuff, would Rask, Hamilton, 2nd work?
No it wouldn't. Boston doesn't have enough skilled goaltenders, to trade there future #1.

Edm would prefer to keep the pick /thread

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04-22-2012, 12:35 PM
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1st overalls
Crosby
Ovechkin
Stamkos
Hall
RNH
Kane
Tavares
Nash

Anyone here think you could get any of these guys for a pick and a roster player?

how about Sequin or Landeskog or Malkin or J Staal? 2nd overalls

anyone think you can get these guys for a roster player and a pick?

Schenn and a 5th overall pick doesn't get you close to one of the second overalls, let alone 1st.

Think more like your two top prospects/young players and your next 3 or 4 1st round picks. This = socks knocked off. You did see that episode of Mythbuster's right?

Unless something like that shows up on the table the Oilers will be adding Nail Yakupov to their roster.

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04-22-2012, 12:42 PM
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1st overalls
Crosby
Ovechkin
Stamkos
Hall
RNH
Kane
Tavares
Nash

Anyone here think you could get any of these guys for a pick and a roster player?

how about Sequin or Landeskog or Malkin or J Staal? 2nd overalls

anyone think you can get these guys for a roster player and a pick?

Schenn and a 5th overall pick doesn't get you close to one of the second overalls, let alone 1st.

Think more like your two top prospects/young players and your next 3 or 4 1st round picks. This = socks knocked off. You did see that episode of Mythbuster's right?

Unless something like that shows up on the table the Oilers will be adding Nail Yakupov to their roster.
Lets not get too crazy and say 3 or 4 1st round picks. That just makes your post unrealistic.

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Lets not get too crazy and say 3 or 4 1st round picks. That just makes your post unrealistic.
look at the list of players there, do you think that you could get any of them for what people are offering for 1st overall? guess not.

many of those 1st rounders would not be lottery picks or even close, many of those players bust out.

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The only one of the move back deals I'd consider is CBJ, except drop the 2nd+prospect and give me the option to swap picks the next year. I don't see them being a whole lot better next year.

In the Rags deal, I'd probably do it for Girardi, Stepan, McIlrath, NYR 1st (25-30) for 1st, 32nd.

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04-22-2012, 01:00 PM
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What about:

To ANA:
#1
Gagner

To BUF:
#6

To EDM:
#12
Ryan
Visnovsky
Pysyk
Leopold

Buffalo gets a chance to get a franchise center. Edmonton gets bigger and better on the wing and better on D now and in the future. Anaheim gets the best player in the deal and a decent center and frees up salary.

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Would MDZ+ work? Seems good for both, Oil get a top PMD prospect and NYR get the 1st line sniper.

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1st overalls
Crosby
Ovechkin
Stamkos
Hall
RNH
Kane
Tavares
Nash

Anyone here think you could get any of these guys for a pick and a roster player?

how about Sequin or Landeskog or Malkin or J Staal? 2nd overalls

anyone think you can get these guys for a roster player and a pick?

Schenn and a 5th overall pick doesn't get you close to one of the second overalls, let alone 1st.

Think more like your two top prospects/young players and your next 3 or 4 1st round picks. This = socks knocked off. You did see that episode of Mythbuster's right?

Unless something like that shows up on the table the Oilers will be adding Nail Yakupov to their roster.
Nail is not a generational talent.

We haven't seen a trade like you're proposing, since Eric Lindros

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What about:

To ANA:
#1
Gagner

To BUF:
#6

To EDM:
#12
Ryan
Visnovsky
Pysyk
Leopold

Buffalo gets a chance to get a franchise center. Edmonton gets bigger and better on the wing and better on D now and in the future. Anaheim gets the best player in the deal and a decent center and frees up salary.
Win for EDM, Loss for ANA. Anaheim gets Yak but they give up 6th overall+ a former 2nd overall pick in Ryan.

EDIT: AND they give up Visnovsky..

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What about:

To ANA:
#1
Gagner

To BUF:
#6

To EDM:
#12
Ryan
Visnovsky
Pysyk
Leopold

Buffalo gets a chance to get a franchise center. Edmonton gets bigger and better on the wing and better on D now and in the future. Anaheim gets the best player in the deal and a decent center and frees up salary.
We might get the best player in the deal if/when Yakupov pans out. We also lose an essential d-man that we have no replacement for. No thanks. Yakupov would be a luxury.

Edit: If we're losing Ryan, Lubo, and the 6th overall, there better be someone a hell of a lot better in our top six, next season, than Gagner and a rookie.


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EDM 1st for CLB 1st+2nd+mid-prospect No
EDM 1st for MTL 1st+BeaulieuYes
EDM 1st for NYI 1st+2nd+De Haan No
EDM 1st for TML 1st+Schenn No
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Following on the BOS-EDM stuff, would Rask, Hamilton, 2nd work?Yes
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The value of the 1st overall is pretty high, especially in this draft. That's why the Oilers were so lucky to win the lottery and why I feel so bad for CBJ.

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Lets not get too crazy and say 3 or 4 1st round picks. That just makes your post unrealistic.
That is actually very realistic. Most average 1st rounders don't amount to all that much in the NHL. At that range you're playing the probabilities and hoping to get a stud player. It's not like the NFL where most of the 1st round is elite players.

A first or second overall is almost always a stud. There are exceptions but they are rare (especially recently).

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look at the list of players there, do you think that you could get any of them for what people are offering for 1st overall? guess not.

many of those 1st rounders would not be lottery picks or even close, many of those players bust out.

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I would give up O'Reilly + for the 1st over all + if we were able to sign someone like Stoll or another UFA 3rd line center.

On one side you can say that Yakupov is unproven and on the other you can throw out that list of 1st over alls.

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That is actually very realistic. Most average 1st rounders don't amount to all that much in the NHL. At that range you're playing the probabilities and hoping to get a stud player. It's not like the NFL where most of the 1st round is elite players.

A first or second overall is almost always a stud. There are exceptions but they are rare (especially recently).
No it is not very realistic.

The draft has been part of the league for decades and I can think of only one trade, involving the 1st overall, that has seen anything close to that type of payment.

Teams don't package 2 top prospects/players + 3 or 4 first rounders for the first overall.

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No it is not very realistic.

The draft has been part of the league for decades and I can think of only one trade, involving the 1st overall, that has seen anything close to that type of payment.

Teams don't package 2 top prospects/players + 3 or 4 first rounders for the first overall.
hence why first overall is almost never traded.

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To the guy saying it takes 3-4 1st rounders to get the 1st overall, consider the 2003 draft trade

1st overall + 3rd round pick for 3rd overall + 2nd round pick + Samuelsson

I know this draft did not have a clear-cut best player like Yakupov, but the value will still be close to this one

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To the guy saying it takes 3-4 1st rounders to get the 1st overall, consider the 2003 draft trade

1st overall + 3rd round pick for 3rd overall + 2nd round pick + Samuelsson

I know this draft did not have a clear-cut best player like Yakupov, but the value will still be close to this one
And the team that traded that pick got nathan horton and the team that got the pick won a stanley cup and got MAF, the team that traded the pick just made its first playoff appearance in ten years.

who won that trade?

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No it is not very realistic.

The draft has been part of the league for decades and I can think of only one trade, involving the 1st overall, that has seen anything close to that type of payment.

Teams don't package 2 top prospects/players + 3 or 4 first rounders for the first overall.
If you are an average team, then I would definitely do a trade like that.

8.0C prospect
7.5C prospect
15th overall
15th overall
15th overall

I'd do that in an instant for Tavares, Stamkos, Hall, RNH, Yakupov etc... 15th overalls aren't worth that much. How many guys in that range pan out?

Take a look at the 2006 draft ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NHL_Entry_Draft ). I picked this one since there has been enough time for these guys to develop - if they haven't shown promise yet they aren't going to do it later.

If you are a terrible team, then it wouldn't apply as much since you're likely to have better prospects and better picks.

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And the team that traded that pick got nathan horton and the team that got the pick won a stanley cup and got MAF, the team that traded the pick just made its first playoff appearance in ten years.

who won that trade?
Winning the Stanley Cup is a team effort. You can't judge a trade's value on whether or not the team won the Cup.

Terrible logic.

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hence why first overall is almost never traded.
1st overall picks are rarely dealt.I'll be surprised if this one is dealt.

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