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07-20-2012, 10:46 PM
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Doan and Weber would be HUGE. Literally and figuratively.

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07-20-2012, 10:57 PM
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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Shane Doan ($4.550m)
Jakub Voracek ($4.000m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.800m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,721,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,478,056

I'd call the offseason a success.

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07-20-2012, 11:17 PM
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If we sign Doan before the news about Weber is resolved, you gotta think that means they will strike a deal with Nashville and send a forward, defense back for a couple of those picks.

Matt Read, Mez for two firsts back

Get Weber
Sign Doan.

Man would that be the coupe of the century.

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07-20-2012, 11:19 PM
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If we sign Doan before the news about Weber is resolved, you gotta think that means they will strike a deal with Nashville and send a forward, defense back for a couple of those picks.

Matt Read, Mez for two firsts back

Get Weber
Sign Doan.

Man would that be the coupe of the century.
I don't think Read and Mez nets us two firsts. I'm fine with moving Mez should Nashville not match, but we can fit Read and Doan under the cap.

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07-20-2012, 11:43 PM
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Doan and Weber would be HUGE. Literally and figuratively.
Shane, Shea and the Schenns.....


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07-21-2012, 08:50 AM
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I don't think Read and Mez nets us two firsts. I'm fine with moving Mez should Nashville not match, but we can fit Read and Doan under the cap.
Maybe I'm being greedy and don't understand the situation. But the way I see it Read and Mesz should get us all four picks back. We're no obligated to give them any players, it would be a "courtesy" to alter their return for the OS compensation. Again I go back to Nashville talking trade with us on Wednesday they had their opportunity for players and failed, why give them a second chance?

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07-21-2012, 08:55 AM
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After visiting with the Rangers brass in NY today Coyotes Captain Shane Doan will make his 2nd visit of free agency Saturday in Philadelphia

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07-21-2012, 09:02 AM
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Maybe I'm being greedy and don't understand the situation. But the way I see it Read and Mesz should get us all four picks back. We're no obligated to give them any players, it would be a "courtesy" to alter their return for the OS compensation. Again I go back to Nashville talking trade with us on Wednesday they had their opportunity for players and failed, why give them a second chance?
I agree that the Flyers, if Nashville can't match, have all the leverage. Poile shouldn't reveal his hand regarding the truth of the situation. However, the Flyers would be obligated to give them players should Holmgren and Poile agree verbally to what would occur should the 'No Match' 'Side Trade' happen.

If it is Read + Mez +/- Another Forward (pick a combination), then I am honestly not very worried. If Holmgren thinks Poile is bluffing, then I doubt he'll send much the other way unless it is as an organizational courtesy for dropping an absurdly aggressive offer sheet to crush their chances with Weber.

The Flyers have talent to bring up and plug in. Obviously, they will not be as ready to contribute (on paper) as those departing, but they have bodies to fill in the backend nicely.

Cousins and Laughton in particular will be given a chance to make the roster.

Also, depending on the salary leaving: The Flyers will be in on Doan.

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07-21-2012, 09:24 AM
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If the Flyers can sign Doan, I think you will see the Weber situation resolved shortly. I think a Mezz + Voracek + 3 1sts (2014 1st coming back so Flyers fans can cheer something at that draft) or even a Schenn + Schenn package for all the 1st rd picks back. Ideally the Flyers can keep the Schenns but that wouldnt be a deal breaker as far as I'm concerned if they get Doan. The Flyers are excellent drafters especially in the 1st round. The Schenns could be replaced with time.

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07-21-2012, 09:29 AM
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I see it the other way around. If the Flyers land Weber, then Doan would give more consideration to the Flyers.

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07-21-2012, 09:39 AM
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I also believe Weber being with us will help along Doan signing, if he is on the fence about it.

Keep Vora.

As well, Send Mez + player/prospect to NSH for a 1st (s)

I'm happy with that.

YES to this!


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Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /

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Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Shea Weber ($7.850m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m) /
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,421,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $778,056

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07-21-2012, 09:47 AM
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I see it the other way around. If the Flyers land Weber, then Doan would give more consideration to the Flyers.
I agree that Weber would make Doan more willing to sign here. But the Flyers have a top six winger role to fill if they move a forward to Nashville and Matt Read is better suited for the third line. So if Doan is willing to commit, I think Homer can offer Voracek or Schenn without a worry.

Nashville is in a bad situation. I dont think they want to match but I also think they know they have to have something to sell to their fans. IMO, I think this offer sheet was done not to screw over Nashville, for whom Holmgren has a great relationship, but a way to have exclusive trading rights and to lower Poile's demands. I had read (I think in Friedmans 30 thoughts) that Holmgren has a great reputation with other GMs because he doesn't overvalue his own players and tries to be forthright and fair. I can see him already offering Schenn + but Poile wanted him and Couturier + which is ridiculous. Now Poile has to be more reasonable.

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07-21-2012, 10:01 AM
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If its a possibility we are looking at Doan and the talks are positive i honestly see Mez+Voracek+1st/prospect going to Nashville IF they don't match.

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07-21-2012, 10:04 AM
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Trading Voracek would be a big mistake. Our wing depth for the future would take a big hit in losing JVR and Voracek in one offseason.

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07-21-2012, 10:06 AM
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I agree that Weber would make Doan more willing to sign here. But the Flyers have a top six winger role to fill if they move a forward to Nashville and Matt Read is better suited for the third line. So if Doan is willing to commit, I think Homer can offer Voracek or Schenn without a worry.

Nashville is in a bad situation. I dont think they want to match but I also think they know they have to have something to sell to their fans. IMO, I think this offer sheet was done not to screw over Nashville, for whom Holmgren has a great relationship, but a way to have exclusive trading rights and to lower Poile's demands. I had read (I think in Friedmans 30 thoughts) that Holmgren has a great reputation with other GMs because he doesn't overvalue his own players and tries to be forthright and fair. I can see him already offering Schenn + but Poile wanted him and Couturier + which is ridiculous. Now Poile has to be more reasonable.

Schenn is going nowhere. If he wasn't trying to part with him when he Pollie first wanted him i don't see him going. Just like he didn't pull the trigger to trade him for Ryan.

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07-21-2012, 10:07 AM
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Trading Voracek would be a big mistake. Our wing depth for the future would take a big hit in losing JVR and Voracek in one offseason.
Either way if we resign Voracek or sign Doan we would have still lost a forward unless we sign both but that would take some salary being shed.

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07-21-2012, 10:19 AM
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I agree that Weber would make Doan more willing to sign here. But the Flyers have a top six winger role to fill if they move a forward to Nashville and Matt Read is better suited for the third line. So if Doan is willing to commit, I think Homer can offer Voracek or Schenn without a worry.

Nashville is in a bad situation. I dont think they want to match but I also think they know they have to have something to sell to their fans. IMO, I think this offer sheet was done not to screw over Nashville, for whom Holmgren has a great relationship, but a way to have exclusive trading rights and to lower Poile's demands. I had read (I think in Friedmans 30 thoughts) that Holmgren has a great reputation with other GMs because he doesn't overvalue his own players and tries to be forthright and fair. I can see him already offering Schenn + but Poile wanted him and Couturier + which is ridiculous. Now Poile has to be more reasonable.
Holmgren isn't in this for his reputation. He's in it to win it. Ownership has dictated the terms. They've given the middle finger to the Preds. They wont be giving anything up, the Preds match or they lose Weber. Poile messed this up last year by signing a 1 year deal with Weber when he could / should have signed him to a long term deal.

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07-21-2012, 10:20 AM
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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Shane Doan ($5.000m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
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Shea Weber ($7.857m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
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Trading Voracek would be a big mistake. Our wing depth for the future would take a big hit in losing JVR and Voracek in one offseason.
If nash HAS to have voracek for us to get weber, you do it. I love voracek, but dozens of other players in the league can do what he does, only a handful can bring what weber does. Factor in that if you can seal the deal quick enough, you likely can immediately replace him with doan.

Closes the books on the carter trade, carter + millions=couts & weber.

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07-21-2012, 10:30 AM
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Either way if we resign Voracek or sign Doan we would have still lost a forward unless we sign both but that would take some salary being shed.
I'm okay with losing Meszaros to make room for Doan. But signing Voracek is a lot bigger off need than getting Doan and Keeping Meszaros.

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anyone else hesitant to move Mez? I think he could come back this year and have a solid season especially for his cap hit which is only 4 mil. Our defense with Mez and Weber would look pretty nasty.

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07-21-2012, 01:07 PM
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anyone else hesitant to move Mez? I think he could come back this year and have a solid season especially for his cap hit which is only 4 mil. Our defense with Mez and Weber would look pretty nasty.
The Flyers would still need to add a forward besides Voracek I would think. even if you take out Mez the defense would be vastly improved with Weber.

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Either way if we resign Voracek or sign Doan we would have still lost a forwardunless we sign both but that would take some salary being shed.
We lost a forward when JVR left ... could have fooled me! Sorry I had to!

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07-21-2012, 01:19 PM
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If Nashville can't match, then homer flips the preds the finger and tells them to enjoy his first round picks. You don't do another team a favour for the sake of it.

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If Nashville can't match, then homer flips the preds the finger and tells them to enjoy his first round picks. You don't do another team a favour for the sake of it.
It helps us out as well though. We'd need to shed some salary and a defender and preferably get back the first in the year we hold the draft

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