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06-24-2012, 01:16 PM
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Whitney and Doan?! Doan, maybe, but Whtiney? Both 35+, with Whitney being 41 next season.
whitney would have lead our team in points last year

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06-24-2012, 01:22 PM
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whitney would have lead our team in points last year
And this season, he could revert back to being a 50 point player...or less.

If we're that desperate, I'd prefer to get Iginla over Whitney or Doan.

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06-24-2012, 01:23 PM
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And this season, he could revert back to being a 50 point player...or less.

If we're that desperate, I'd prefer to get Iginla over Whitney or Doan.
Whitney and Doan are free agents, Iginla would cost assets plus the Flames aren't trading him anyway

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06-24-2012, 01:27 PM
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Nothing wrong w either fish or Whitney on a one yr deal imo, both would be ideal

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06-24-2012, 01:28 PM
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And this season, he could revert back to being a 50 point player...or less.

If we're that desperate, I'd prefer to get Iginla over Whitney or Doan.
and i'd prefer malkin but that doesn't mean we can pry away him in a trade. what makes you think that calgary is gonna trade iginla without getting major pieces to jump start their rebuild in return?

whitney and doan might not be the best options but they would just cost $$ on short term deals until we can land the 'better' options. and if you add 20+ goals each from whitney and doan, get a bounce back year from dubi, plus full year from kreider. suddenly our offense and depth isn't much of a problem since adding 20 goals to last years total would have jumped us up to 5th

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06-24-2012, 01:30 PM
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Whitney and Doan are free agents, Iginla would cost assets plus the Flames aren't trading him anyway
I am aware that both are free agents, but of the three, Iginla has consistently been a 30+ goal scorer, 60-80 points + player, and he'd be 35 next season.

Trade rumors actually heated-up this season. I say we go after FAs. If that doesn't work, go after Ryan, Nash, etc. That's to no avail, inquire about Iginla. And when push comes to shove, I guess get Whitney and Doan.

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06-24-2012, 01:32 PM
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and i'd prefer malkin but that doesn't mean we can pry away him in a trade. what makes you think that calgary is gonna trade iginla without getting major pieces to jump start their rebuild in return?
If it's nonsense like what Howson demands, we walk. Simple as that.

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06-24-2012, 01:33 PM
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Whitney hasn't lost a step.

"revert back" to 57-58 points? That's still a major addition.

1-2 year deal for Whitney.

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06-24-2012, 01:37 PM
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Yeah if Whitney reverts back to 50+ points, I'll still be happy with him.

Gaby led the team with 71 points. He's hurt so forget about that this year. The next highest is Richie with 66. Even if he reverts back to average, Whitney still wouldn't be far behind that.

Besides Whitney was on my 2014 Cup team in NHL 2K8 franchise mode...at age 43!!! It was the first of 12 Cup in 28 years for the Rangers. So obviously, it's destiny.

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06-24-2012, 01:53 PM
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Adding one second line point producing forward in free agency would help out our power play and forward depth so much that I really, desperately hope that it happens. In my opinion it's the only move we really need to make.

Doan is Mr. Phoenix Hockey and if he didn't go anywhere when they were a joke he's not going anywhere now that they're good and he's 35. Whitney would be great, though. The big thing with him is that he'd probably only want a one year deal. Remember when we signed Frolov, he was disappointing, and it didn't matter too much because he was still able to play okay NHL minutes and he wasn't a part of the long term plan? One year deals are great.

I'm weird and I really like PA Parenteau as a complimentary piece, but I think he gets more money/years from a team with less to lose than us.


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06-24-2012, 02:10 PM
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Whitney puts up great numbers as a 41 year old.

1 year deal would be great.

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Whitney went up 20 points from the prior season..still improving at 41

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If Pit gets one of Suter/Parise, Philly gets Ryan/Nash, and we get Doan... that's just terrible.
This is exactly right. people don't always factor in that keeping a big player away from a rival factors in heavily when pursuing players.

we kicked the crap out of philly last season, you think they want us getting Nash or Ryan? Shultz or Suter? that franchise/state/city operates with a huge chip on their shoulder. Same with the Pens.

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06-24-2012, 02:27 PM
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If Pit gets one of Suter/Parise, Philly gets Ryan/Nash, and we get Doan... that's just terrible.
It's a little convoluted as to why I disagree with you, but let me try to lay it out. Start with the assumption, based on last year's regular season and playoff finishes, that the Rangers are better than those two teams. This isn't necessarily true, but with a lack of evidence to the contrary, we can go with it.

The Flyers are a team that plays exactly to the sum of it's parts. So are the Penguins. The Rangers, on the other hand, are a team that plays greater than the sum of it's parts. The Flyers and Penguins can leap frog the Rangers by adding a significant piece. The Rangers can maintain their place in relation to the other two by adding a lesser piece, because that lesser piece is going to have a greater impact within the roster, boosting the entire team in the process.

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06-24-2012, 02:28 PM
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Hockey is a sport where just because a team gets another star doesn't always mean it'll work out. Chemistry is very important as well as guys being able to play with each other and being slotted in the right opportunities.

All those horrible Rangers teams from 98-04, when the Avs got Kariya and Selanne in the early 00s, Buffalo with Ehrhoff/Leino/Reghr are all examples of teams that looked great on paper but didn't do didley squat when push came to shove.

Philly can get Ryan but it doesn't help their goaltending or defense and what are they going to give up? No guarantee Pittsburgh gets both those guys and if the cap goes down, they can have fun figuring out that mess.

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I'm no capologist but how the hell is Pitt going to sign Parise when they need to shell out 8-9 million for Crosby next summer

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Whitney is on record wanting a 2 yr deal. Its why he is becoming available.

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06-24-2012, 02:34 PM
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I'm no capologist but how the hell is Pitt going to sign Parise when they need to shell out 8-9 million for Crosby next summer
They're currently paying him 8.7 mill per year. He's either going to make that or just around that. It's not like he's due some huge pay raise.

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I'm no capologist but how the hell is Pitt going to sign Parise when they need to shell out 8-9 million for Crosby next summer
Crosby already makes $8.7M. Re-signing him for $9M adds only $300k to the payroll.

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I'm no capologist but how the hell is Pitt going to sign Parise when they need to shell out 8-9 million for Crosby next summer
crosby already makes $8.7 mil so $9 mil per year only adds $300k to their payroll

and they just dumped staal who they offered $6 mil/year too

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Oops I mis-read their cap space. I thought they would only have 14 million next off-season but I was looking at this off-season.

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There's no need for "back" after revert...it's implied. Obviously you can't revert forward. lol

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Looking at CapGeek, I didn't realize Steve Sullivan is a UFA. He's someone I'd put on RW with Kreider and Stepan, and give two years, and he wouldn't cost near what some of the other options cost.

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Replacements

Fedotenko -> Whitney/Smyth
Avery -> Kreider
Prust -> Tootoo/Konopka
Mitchell -> Mitchell?
Mza -> Miller/Wellman/Hrivik/JAM
Wolski -> Jagr/Boyes/Doan
Eminger -Sarich/Kubina
Woywitka -> Erixon
Stralman -> Schultz (Stralman)?

This will improve our team immensely IMO
Even if Gabby is out first half of year
Hagelin is now in from scratch
As is Staal
Stepan, AA, McD, MDZ are still developing and should get better
Dubinsky, Boyle and Richards might all possibly rebound a bit from last year

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