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07-05-2012, 07:23 PM
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No need to make that trade. Ryan is not that much better than voracek

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07-05-2012, 07:26 PM
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That trade would be a step in the wrong direction. No way we should be giving up that much for Ryan. Anyways, this article seems to state otherwise.. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/GARTH...n-Ryan/6/45450

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So, essentially it's: Voracek, Gustaffson, and two firsts for Ryan.

Eff dat.

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That trade would be a step in the wrong direction. No way we should be giving up that much for Ryan. Anyways, this article seems to state otherwise.. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/GARTH...n-Ryan/6/45450
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07-05-2012, 07:49 PM
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I may be biased because bobby Ryan is my favorite player not (currently) on the flyers, but I would make that trade.

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All that just for Ryan in return? A first, a guy we JUST took in the first round, a mid level defensive prospect and a forward two years younger and close to Ryan in terms of production? And all we get is Ryan. Hell to the no. I like the guy and all and it's a cool scenario to have a hometown guy here but not at that price. I hope that article posted interpreted holmgrens quotes as true (we all know homer is FOS).

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No need to make that trade. Ryan is not that much better than voracek
TSN report had Bobby Ryan ranked #33 going into the 2011-2012 season. Giroux by comparison was #25. Obviously Jake was not top 50 but I do like his game and potential. I wouldnt underate Ryan though he is one of the best.

With this salary cap going up and teams spending like drunken sailors perhaps Homer sees Vorachek as a potential tough signing. He knows the cost certainity of Bobby Ryan $5 M per for the next 3 season( that sounds like a hell of a bargain right now). If Jake Vorachek keeps progressing there are going to be teams that throw big years and heavy $$$$ at him.

Add that Ryan is a organizational favorite and I can definitely see a deal that brings B Ryan to Philly with Vorachek as the centerpiece. I'm torn because I am big Jake fan.

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People would do that trade? Wtf am I reading. Laughton's value is essentially a 1st, then you add another first, add Voracek who's potential is worth way more than a 1st + Gus?

I'd rather offer sheet Weber and lose 4 1sts straight up. This is so an overpayment.

But well, it's from Manayunk Mike, who isn't even close to being reliable.

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People would do that trade? Wtf am I reading. Laughton's value is essentially a 1st, then you add another first, add Voracek who's potential is worth way more than a 1st + Gus?

I'd rather offer sheet Weber and lose 4 1sts straight up. This is so an overpayment.

But well, it's from Manayunk Mike, who isn't even close to being reliable.
What about Voracek makes him "way more than a first?" He's a second line winger at his peak. Good puck possession. Solid defense. 60 points.

The trade is borderline for me. It's 1 roster player and a bunch of futures.

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07-05-2012, 08:24 PM
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No, not for that asking price.

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To be honest I'm not sure I'd even want to trade Voracek for Ryan straight up, let alone for the craziness in that rumor. Really think we should stick with Jake.

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What about Voracek makes him "way more than a first?" He's a second line winger at his peak. Good puck possession. Solid defense. 60 points.

The trade is borderline for me. It's 1 roster player and a bunch of futures.
He's 22. You have no idea what Voracek will be at his peak.

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07-05-2012, 08:33 PM
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All that just for Ryan in return? A first, a guy we JUST took in the first round, a mid level defensive prospect and a forward two years younger and close to Ryan in terms of production? And all we get is Ryan. Hell to the no. I like the guy and all and it's a cool scenario to have a hometown guy here but not at that price. I hope that article posted interpreted holmgrens quotes as true (we all know homer is FOS).

Ryan has averaged 34 G 30 A his first 4 years and is only 25 y.o..

But yeah that is a ton to give up and Im not sure Vorachek doesnt evntually have as good or even better career than Bobby Ryan. Keep in mind Jakub Vorachek is' only 22.

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07-05-2012, 09:06 PM
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To be honest I'm not sure I'd even want to trade Voracek for Ryan straight up, let alone for the craziness in that rumor. Really think we should stick with Jake.
Oh for the love of all things holy, now I've seen it all.

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The fear and sometimes outright anger of giving up future draft picks for a proven commodity never ceases to amaze me.

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07-05-2012, 09:14 PM
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Oh for the love of all things holy, now I've seen it all.
Lol. The legend of Jake Voracek grows and grows. Funny how four underwhelming seasons for Jake and he's more valuable than Bobby Ryan. But four 30+ goals per season is worth less than Jake. Also he's signed for longer and probably in the same ballpark moneywise. Also Luke Schenn is a bust because he has not lived up to his potential at 22 but Jake is ONLY 22 so of course he has years to improve!

Something people also need to consider is that Jake may not want a long term deal. If he only wants a one year deal and wants to test UFA next year, I'd be happy to deal him as part of a deal for Ryan.

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07-05-2012, 09:19 PM
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That deal is bunk. If the Flyers offered that, Anahiem would take it and run. If not Murray is an idiot. Gus is junk but the others amount to 3 1st Rd picks for a 30 goal scorer. That is way more than Carter and Richards got for a lesser valued position.

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07-05-2012, 09:21 PM
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Lol. The legend of Jake Voracek grows and grows. Funny how four underwhelming seasons for Jake and he's more valuable than Bobby Ryan. But four 30+ goals per season is worth less than Jake. Also he's signed for longer and probably in the same ballpark moneywise. Also Luke Schenn is a bust because he has not lived up to his potential at 22 but Jake is ONLY 22 so of course he has years to improve!

Something people also need to consider is that Jake may not want a long term deal. If he only wants a one year deal and wants to test UFA next year, I'd be happy to deal him as part of a deal for Ryan.
We're getting as bad as Toronto fans vastly over-rating our players. It makes me chuckle. I wonder how many people commenting here have seen Ryan play more than 10 games total.

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07-05-2012, 09:28 PM
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Something people also need to consider is that Jake may not want a long term deal. If he only wants a one year deal and wants to test UFA next year, I'd be happy to deal him as part of a deal for Ryan.
Voracek is a rfa for 3 more years as he has already played 4 years so far.

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Lol. The legend of Jake Voracek grows and grows. Funny how four underwhelming seasons for Jake and he's more valuable than Bobby Ryan. But four 30+ goals per season is worth less than Jake. Also he's signed for longer and probably in the same ballpark moneywise. Also Luke Schenn is a bust because he has not lived up to his potential at 22 but Jake is ONLY 22 so of course he has years to improve!

Something people also need to consider is that Jake may not want a long term deal. If he only wants a one year deal and wants to test UFA next year, I'd be happy to deal him as part of a deal for Ryan.
Yea let's see, a promising winger with a career high of 18 goals at a cost of 3.5m or a proven 30+ goal scorer at 5.3m??? DECISIONS DECISIONS!! Is Jake related to TGO somehow?? Thru marriage at least?!

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07-05-2012, 09:47 PM
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Voracek being seriously underrated.

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That deal is bunk. If the Flyers offered that, Anahiem would take it and run. If not Murray is an idiot. Gus is junk but the others amount to 3 1st Rd picks for a 30 goal scorer. That is way more than Carter and Richards got for a lesser valued position.
It is not more than we received. Give me a break.

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Lol. The legend of Jake Voracek grows and grows. Funny how four underwhelming seasons for Jake and he's more valuable than Bobby Ryan. But four 30+ goals per season is worth less than Jake. Also he's signed for longer and probably in the same ballpark moneywise. Also Luke Schenn is a bust because he has not lived up to his potential at 22 but Jake is ONLY 22 so of course he has years to improve!

Something people also need to consider is that Jake may not want a long term deal. If he only wants a one year deal and wants to test UFA next year, I'd be happy to deal him as part of a deal for Ryan.

Jake is subject to 3 more years of team control, just like Bobby Ryan.

The gap between Voracek and Ryan is not nearly as wide as public perception suggests. See the red button
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It is not more than we received. Give me a break.
Carter and Richard each got a top notch pick/prospect (#8 or Schenn), a 2nd/3rd line winger (Voracek/Simmonds) and 3nd/2rd pick. So the proposed trade is Voracek (2nd winger), Gus (a third rd pick value if Darrell Powe is a 3rd rd pick value) and Laughton and 1st rd pick. Laughton is no 8th overall or Schenn but Laughton + 1st is greater than or equal to the #8 or Schenn. So the value at best is equal for a winger who had less goals his last 4 years than Carter' last four years before the trade and less points than Richards last 4 years at the time of trade plus plays wing not center.

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Maybe if we don't do anything at all for a season we try to sign Perry and Getzlaf and make Ryan the star on a now empty team.

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Maybe if we don't do anything at all for a season we try to sign Perry and Getzlaf and make Ryan the star on a now empty team.
Or pick Perry up at the deadline. It occurred to me when I made this roster. If they save enough cap space to keep Chris Pronger off of LTIR, that makes it possible to bank considerable cap space before the deadline to go after Iginla, Perry, Yandle or Enstrom.



Edit: I know this is slightly out of date now

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