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06-24-2012, 09:02 AM
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Fixed your logic for you, but I get where its coming from. Dumba is just BPA out of these imo.
Please do not try to "fix" my logic. If a fault presents itself to me, I will fix it myself.

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I get where you are coming from, but I find that faulty logic. The diagram is a step-by-step formula.

Sure, you aren't disappointed with Dumba, but your already disappointed...

You are saying you aren't disappointed (Dumba) with the disappointment(defense)...
The problem that you are making is assuming that if I am disappointed we took a defenseman, I am automatically disappointed that we took dumba. This is not the case. I am disappointed that we took a defenseman, but of the defensemen we had to choose from, I feel we took the one that will most benefit the club.

Dislike of one step does not have to mean dislike of the following step.

I'll use an analogy. Lets say I'm going to Dairy Queen and I want a Blizzard. When I get there I learn that the mixing machine that they use to make a blizzard out of soft service ice cream is out of service for the moment. So I go with a cone dipped in butterscotch coating instead. I'm disappointed that I did not get the blizzard I wanted, but that does not prevent me from enjoying the cone I walked away with.

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06-24-2012, 09:05 AM
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Please do not try to "fix" my logic. If a fault presents itself to me, I will fix it myself.
Maybe shouldn't have used the word logic, but if you're gonna do a flow chart, do it proper. But I'm a hypocrite, mine was done 10secs in MSpaint.

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So I go with a cone dipped in butterscotch coating instead. I'm disappointed that I did not get the blizzard I wanted, but that does not prevent me from enjoying the cone I walked away with.
BUTTERSCOTCHED DIPPED CONES?! SEND DAIRY QUEEN TO EUROPE PLEASE!

The only problem would be the workers' unions in western europe :/

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The Czech announcers went with Toivo Teravainena in U18's.
They should just give up and call him "TT" or "Sharpstrom"

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I'll use an analogy. Lets say I'm going to Dairy Queen and I want a Blizzard. When I get there I learn that the mixing machine that they use to make a blizzard out of soft service ice cream is out of service for the moment. So I go with a cone dipped in butterscotch coating instead. I'm disappointed that I did not get the blizzard I wanted, but that does not prevent me from enjoying the cone I walked away with.
Like I said again...you are happy (butterscotch/Dumba) ... with your disappointment (no blizzard/no forward)...

Does that sound weird to anyone else? You left enjoying the cone, but you still prefer the Blizzard. That is still called disappointment

However, you are being open-minded about the choice of Dumba. which is great. You are willing to accept the choice because Dumba is still a good player. You are still disappointed however ...

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(of a person) Sad or displeased because someone or something has failed to fulfill one's hopes or expectations.
You are displeased because the Wild failed to fulfill your hope of drafting a forward. You're dealing with it well, and willing to accept that he still brings his own talents and skills ... but again, you are still disappointed...

Anyways, this is going nowhere so you can respond and we'll leave it at that lol. Lets stay on subject here

Btw, you are a marketing machine, I want a Blizzard ...

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This thread makes me

But yes, please, lets leave it at that. I have my way of thinking and you have yours.

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Granted, I'm reallllly hungover; but what I got out of the last page is that Avder wants to dip Dumba in butterscotch and enjoy?

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Granted, I'm reallllly hungover; but what I got out of the last page is that Avder wants to dip Dumba in butterscotch and enjoy?
I think that was the point our debate derailed...

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Maybe Dumba's smile will make you all happy.

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Maybe Dumba's smile will make you all happy.
How could anyone resist a kid who can levitate a puck with his sheer smile?

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How could anyone resist a kid who can levitate a puck with his sheer smile?
Tell me about it. The guy could lift a truck with sheer smile muscles.

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Maybe Dumba's smile will make you all happy.
EDIT: Nvm, sounds very wrong. Won't comment, deleted...

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Granted, I'm reallllly hungover; but what I got out of the last page is that Avder wants to dip Dumba in butterscotch and enjoy?
Laughing my ass off. Dumba was my ideal pick/Peanut Buster Parfait.

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Maybe Dumba's smile will make you all happy.
"Keep your head up puck!"

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Infographics and Dairy Queen analogies referring to hockey? Just another day on HFBoards.

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Please do not try to "fix" my logic. If a fault presents itself to me, I will fix it myself.



The problem that you are making is assuming that if I am disappointed we took a defenseman, I am automatically disappointed that we took dumba. This is not the case. I am disappointed that we took a defenseman, but of the defensemen we had to choose from, I feel we took the one that will most benefit the club.

Dislike of one step does not have to mean dislike of the following step.

I'll use an analogy. Lets say I'm going to Dairy Queen and I want a Blizzard. When I get there I learn that the mixing machine that they use to make a blizzard out of soft service ice cream is out of service for the moment. So I go with a cone dipped in butterscotch coating instead. I'm disappointed that I did not get the blizzard I wanted, but that does not prevent me from enjoying the cone I walked away with.
The "problem" with your logic is that it assumes that choices go in that order. This draft proved pretty mightily that GMs do not pick in that order, and there's good reason for it. The decision matrix looks at which players are available, and their position is selected from there. Put simply, there were no players on the board who should have satisfied your alleged wants in this situation. Grigs was not going to be picked by this team (just like we didn't pick up Slepyshev late) so therefore there were no first rounders on the board who were both forwards and of a shoot first mentality.

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The "problem" with your logic is that it assumes that choices go in that order. This draft proved pretty mightily that GMs do not pick in that order, and there's good reason for it. The decision matrix looks at which players are available, and their position is selected from there. Put simply, there were no players on the board who should have satisfied your alleged wants in this situation. Grigs was not going to be picked by this team (just like we didn't pick up Slepyshev late) so therefore there were no first rounders on the board who were both forwards and of a shoot first mentality.
I think Forsberg might fit that description....still think Dumba is the better player, though.

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I think Forsberg might fit that description....still think Dumba is the better player, though.
No elite offensive skills.

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No elite offensive skills.
I'm not sure we'll know that yet for a few years....but, from everything I've read and heard is that he is a forward with a shooter's mentality.

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I think Forsberg might fit that description....still think Dumba is the better player, though.
Forsberg definitely does not fit that description. TT would be more likely to, but he's pass first. There's a few players who were ultimately picked in the second round who would fit it, but they were second rounders.

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Forsberg definitely does not fit that description. TT would be more likely to, but he's pass first. There's a few players who were ultimately picked in the second round who would fit it, but they were second rounders.
From this scouting report, it appears as though Forsberg DOES have the scorer's touch and the shoot first mentality....I didn't hear the term "play maker" or "pass first" once when they described his skills.

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From this scouting report, it appears as though Forsberg DOES have the scorer's touch and the shoot first mentality....I didn't hear the term "play maker" or "pass first" once when they described his skills.

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Outside of a fluke year in SuperElit, he has never put anything much for points on the board at any level. He's not a scorer. He's a two-way guy that some people have unreasonable expectations for offensive growth. Calling him a "scorer with a shoot first mentality" would be equivalent to me calling Clutterbuck and Brodziak that same thing.

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Outside of a fluke year in SuperElit, he has never put anything much for points on the board at any level. He's not a scorer. He's a two-way guy that some people have unreasonable expectations for offensive growth. Calling him a "scorer with a shoot first mentality" would be equivalent to me calling Clutterbuck and Brodziak that same thing.
Like I said, not my words, just the NHL Scouting Report on him....that's all I can go by as I decided not to renew my season ticket package for Leksands IF.

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Like I said, not my words, just the NHL Scouting Report on him....that's all I can go by as I decided not to renew my season ticket package for Leksands IF.
While he might have some scoring touch and a shoot-first mentality, I wouldn't draft him to fill a goal scoring role with a 7th overall pick. I personally feel like people are over-valuing his Ivan Hlinka performance a little bit, but quite frankly, I haven't really followed him at all.

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Did CF really have Hampus Lindholm from Sweden rated higher than Dumba. IF so he got stuck in a Blizzard.

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