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06-22-2012, 08:37 PM
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Does getting the G-men assure that Roy stays?

Think about it: the G-men are both a couple years away, and now it makes little sense to try and acquire another young center to replace Roy - that would leave us with 5 potential top 2 centers in the system in a year or two (Ennis, Hodgson, G, G, and whoever you bring in to replace Roy in the short term). A potential jam.

So either Darcy decides to go into next year with two guys with about 100 games of NHL center experience between them, or he holds onto Roy at least until one of the G's show they can make the leap.

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Think about it: the G-men are both a couple years away, and now it makes little sense to try and acquire another young center to replace Roy - that would leave us with 5 potential top 2 centers in the system in a year or two (Ennis, Hodgson, G, G, and whoever you bring in to replace Roy in the short term). A potential jam.

So either Darcy decides to go into next year with two guys with about 100 games of NHL center experience between them, or he holds onto Roy at least until one of the G's show they can make the leap.
Grigorenko will get a shot to make the team this year.

I'd bet on it happening.

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If anything I would think loading up on centers would assure that someones getting moved...

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Grigorenko will get a shot to make the team this year.

I'd bet on it happening.
If you're Darcy, do you move Roy on the assumption that Grigs can step in immediately?

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I don't think one has to do with the other in the short term. Grigorenko has a shot at making the team this year, but Roy is the only guy on the roster who can consistently win faceoffs, and play a high level of competition while frequently starting in his zone. Roy is only moved if he's replaced by an established NHL center.

I know it's not fashionable to like depth on HF--once we have depth, we have to trade it, right?--but lets bask in some depth for a few hours, guys.

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Even if Grigs doesn't make the team this year, I bet he is on it the following year. Which makes for an interesting 13-14 season when Armia-Grigs-Ennis-Hodgson-Mcnabb, etc all become better.

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Grigorenko will get a shot to make the team this year.

I'd bet on it happening.
Grigorenko guarantees he'll make the team.

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"I won't even speak to KHL. I can guarantee I will be in Buffalo in October"

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Has no impact on the season with the exception of the trade deadline, if the team is in the same position as last he will be traded. If there in he stays and if there out he's gone....

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He will be in training camp for sure. But his play on the ice will determine if he stays more than 9 games with the Sabres. IF, big if still, he does warrant a spot on the big club then Darcy probably keeps Roy until the deadline or beyond(depending on how the team is doing in the standings).

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Grigorenko guarantees he'll make the team.
ding ding ding, we have a winner johnny......

Yes, Grigorenko will be on the roster this coming season, I know it......

Watched more than a few games, while working in Sweden, with this kid playing.
They televise much more internationally than the states.

Great pick up, this kid is ready to roll in my humble opinion.

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Pittsburgh has an unbelievable stable of young defensemen: Morrow, Despres, Harrington, Maatta, Pouliot.

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It may mean that trading for a player like Ryan would become easier. A Roy, Adam, Brennan + package wouldn't hurt us too bad

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If you're Darcy, do you move Roy on the assumption that Grigs can step in immediately?
I would. But then something that would be scary, our top 3 centers would be:

Hodgson 22
Ennis 22
Grigorenko 18

That's really, really young. Especially for a team in win now mode. I'd be okay with this, but I'm not an NHL GM.

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I would. But then something that would be scary, our top 3 centers would be:

Hodgson 22
Ennis 22
Grigorenko 18

That's really, really young. Especially for a team in win now mode. I'd be okay with this, but I'm not an NHL GM.
If we trade Roy, we are in no way shape or form in win now mode. No proven NHL centers and you call it win now mode?

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If we trade Roy, we are in no way shape or form in win now mode. No proven NHL centers and you call it win now mode?
So having Roy magically puts us in win now mode? They're not in win now mode with or without him. Pretending to be doesn't mean they are.

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I would. But then something that would be scary, our top 3 centers would be:

Hodgson 22
Ennis 22
Grigorenko 18

That's really, really young. Especially for a team in win now mode. I'd be okay with this, but I'm not an NHL GM.
They're not acting like a "Win now" team though -- they're acting like a "get a lot of young talent and win in a little while" team.

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The easiest decision would be to keep Roy at least until the trade deadline. If we're tanking, trade him. If we look to be in the playoffs, keep him and try to trade him after the playoffs or let him walk. Letting him walk wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

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The easiest decision would be to keep Roy at least until the trade deadline. If we're tanking, trade him. If we look to be in the playoffs, keep him and try to trade him after the playoffs or let him walk. Letting him walk wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
My problem with this is:

Hodgson: There's some pressure to get this guy top 6 minutes, he asked to be traded so he could get more ice time
Ennis: The glue of our best line for much of last year, would you really wanna risk breaking this up?
Roy: Obviously one of Ruff's top guys, should get top 6 ice time
Grigorenko: I'd hate to bring him here just to get 4th line minutes or to try and play him on the wing.

So either
A) They move Roy
B) Grigs doesn't make the team
C) Grigs gets 4th line duties
D) They take risk and break up FES to move Ennis to wing
E) They take the risk and Hodgson doesn't get top 6 ice time

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It might even come down to training camp. If Grigorenko can be good enough to make the roster, and another team has an injury at center, maybe the inquire about Roy then. But all in all, idk. And really, idc, they're building for the long haul, and rightly so.

Ennis, Hodgson, Foligno, Tropp, Gerbe, Grigorenko, Girgensons, Myers, McNabb, Pysyk. All under 25years of age. That's a good core group. I'm happy Darcy took the shot, and I think it was bc of the extra first and they drafted a guy in Girgensons who at the least will be a 3rd liner. It will mitigate the loss of Grigorenko in case he moves to the KHL or anything like that (although what he said about Mogilny gets my hopes up).

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Keep Roy at least through camp.

See how Grigerenko does.

If he looks good, give him the 9 games.

If he still looks good, now you consider dealing Roy.

But starting Grigorenko at wing this season and then moving him to center to replace Roy next year could be a workable strategy.

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They're not acting like a "Win now" team though -- they're acting like a "get a lot of young talent and win in a little while" team.
Don't forget about Pegula's three year plan. While this draft improves our center depth big time, it also improves our ability to get get someone established. If Pegula wants to win in 2013-14, he's going to want Darcy to make a move.

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ding ding ding, we have a winner johnny......

Yes, Grigorenko will be on the roster this coming season, I know it......

Watched more than a few games, while working in Sweden, with this kid playing.
They televise much more internationally than the states.

Great pick up, this kid is ready to roll in my humble opinion.
Sorry, but you don't know it. Not even Lindy Ruff knows it and he's the one who makes the decision.

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Keep Roy at least through camp.

See how Grigerenko does.

If he looks good, give him the 9 games.

If he still looks good, now you consider dealing Roy.

But starting Grigorenko at wing this season and then moving him to center to replace Roy next year could be a workable strategy.

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Ewww do not want. Grigs is a center, I want him to to learn how to be an NHL center as fast as possible. IF anything, move Roy to wing. I'm sick of taking our drafted Centers and then for some reason trying to move them to wing (Ennis, Adam) and then complaining about lack of center depth.

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Oh, I forgot, a center learning the NHL game on the wing is the worst thing in the world for the player's development.



A one-year apprenticeship isn't going to kill Grigs. I know we all want to put our shiny new toy at center, but it's alright if he plays some wing his rookie year while he learns everyone's responsibilities.

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They can move Roy if they bring back a bigger third line center to help take the pressure off Ennis and Hodgson. Stoll would have been nice but he's not going to be available now that he resigned. Still, they could still move Roy, but they would definitely need an NHL-ready center (preferably with defensive chops).

I'm still interested in the other Foligno for the third line.

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