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06-23-2012, 06:04 PM
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When I watch videos of forsberg, I see stamkos. Without 20 lbs of muscle and rat face.
I don't know jack about prospects, but I see the same. Trying to temper my enthusiasm, but having a hard time.

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06-23-2012, 06:17 PM
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When I watch videos of forsberg, I see stamkos. Without 20 lbs of muscle and rat face.
I don't think he's as much of a pure finisher. Franzen has always been the comp. for me. He's not as wide but he's a strong puck protector/possessor. That seems like the real strength of his game. It'll be key that he develops more of a taste for physical play and continues to work on sniping but he should at least be a solid two-way second line left wing. A Loui Eriksson type would be great, though I don't think he's as much of a playmaker in comparison. They greatly need top six reliability and he should be able to play that sort of dependable game.

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I don't know jack about prospects, but I see the same. Trying to temper my enthusiasm, but having a hard time.
No need. I just hope he hits the gym. Made huge difference in Steve's career. But the reach, ability to shoot from various angles, and ability to quickly put puck into a shooting position is uncanny.

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I don't think he's as much of a pure finisher. Franzen has always been the comp. for me. He's not as wide but he's a strong puck protector/possessor. That seems like the real strength of his game. It'll be key that he develops more of a taste for physical play and continues to work on sniping but he should at least be a solid two-way second line left wing. A Loui Eriksson type would be great, though I don't think he's as much of a playmaker in comparison. They greatly need top six reliability and he should be able to play that sort of dependable game.
Well I did say videos... Which are there cause they end the way of the good guy.

Look forward to under 21s.

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06-23-2012, 06:21 PM
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Carrick is a very impressive interview for an 18 year-old kid.

Blinker as well, considering his age and the fact that he's using his second language.

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06-23-2012, 06:22 PM
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Carrick is a very impressive interview for an 18 year-old kid.

Blinker as well, considering his age and the fact that he's using his second language.
He's alright. Forsberg was much more impressive than any of the others.

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06-23-2012, 06:27 PM
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Di Pauli was a solid interview. Seems like a bright kid.

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06-23-2012, 06:29 PM
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Forsberg reminds me of a slightly less physical Gabriel Landeskog. Non-Swedish comparison, Max Pacioretty.

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Di Pauli was a solid interview. Seems like a bright kid.
Yeah, he wasn't bad. The W guy (forget his name) was pretty weird. I couldn't decide if I hated him or not. I really think Forsberg just put them all to shame though. His excellent English may be biasing me, but he seems pretty intelligent. You can also tell he's very focused and composed, which I find very reassuring. It's very hard to see him not living up to most of his potential.

Edit: Maybe I should use the word "very" a few more times.

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Carrick is a very impressive interview for an 18 year-old kid.

Blinker as well, considering his age and the fact that he's using his second language.
Yeah; I was impressed by Carrick's interview with Vogel as well. He was able to offer thoughtful and insightful answers in COMPLETE SENTENCES to every question without stalling. I'm always impressed when an NHL prospect comes across as intelligent because they spend so much time playing hockey that it has to be difficult to find time for academics. As such, any intelligence they exhibit is likely to be something that comes naturally to them.

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06-23-2012, 06:33 PM
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Yeah; I was impressed by Carrick's interview with Vogel as well. He was able to offer thoughtful and insightful answers in COMPLETE SENTENCES to every question without stalling. I'm always impressed when an NHL prospect comes across as intelligent because they spend so much time playing hockey that it has to be difficult to find time for academics. As such, any intelligence they exhibit is likely to be something that comes naturally to them.
Yes...like everyone else. Education can develop your mind and help it reach its potential, but your innate ability is your innate ability. John Carlson would still be an absolute moron no matter how much school he went to.

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06-23-2012, 06:36 PM
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Di Pauli was a solid interview. Seems like a bright kid.
Just watching his presser now, I had no idea he was born in Italy (and lived there until 7th grade). There doesn't seem to be any site that's got his birth place correct.

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Yeah, he wasn't bad. The W guy (forget his name) was pretty weird. I couldn't decide if I hated him or not. I really think Forsberg just put them all to shame though. His excellent English may be biasing me, but he seems pretty intelligent. You can also tell he's very focused and composed, which I find very reassuring. It's very hard to see him not living up to most of his potential.

Edit: Maybe I should use the word "very" a few more times.
The quality of Forsberg's english is definitely impressive, but I feel like he could have offered a bit more in the way of content in his responses, especially given that his english is so good. Admittedly, this is a lot to ask of a 17 year old speaking in his second language, but I always like it when prospects give answers that aren't just "I need to work hard, add muscle, improve my skating." stuff that we hear so much of.

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06-23-2012, 06:41 PM
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Yes...like everyone else. Education can develop your mind and help it reach its potential, but your innate ability is your innate ability. John Carlson would still be an absolute moron no matter how much school he went to.
Yep forsberg has no shot at Mercedes or Hadid's carpet cleaning commercials.

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06-23-2012, 06:45 PM
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Forsberg is Ovi without the edge.

Forsberg is known as a player who shoots a lot, which Ovi is known for too.

Ovi was like 215 at draft, but he was 18 years 8 months(missed the age cut off by 2 days), Forsberg is only 17 years 10 months right now, so its not like he's small and gonna be small for a long time.

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The quality of Forsberg's english is definitely impressive, but I feel like he could have offered a bit more in the way of content in his responses, especially given that his english is so good. Admittedly, this is a lot to ask of a 17 year old speaking in his second language, but I always like it when prospects give answers that aren't just "I need to work hard, add muscle, improve my skating." stuff that we hear so much of.
I thought his self-analysis was pretty good actually, in the Vogel interview at least. He definitely offered more than the other prospects I saw, IMO. I think he has the best English of all the players they picked.

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Yes...like everyone else. Education can develop your mind and help it reach its potential, but your innate ability is your innate ability. Mike Green would still be an absolute moron no matter how much school he went to.
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Anyone else see Forsberg and think of Hannibal Rising?

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Now that I think about it a little, I think that Iginla could be the best comparison for Forsberg's upside. He has a very well rounded game.

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06-23-2012, 07:07 PM
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In Vogel's blog recap on http://dumpnchase.com/:

"Kostenko, ... will turn 20 in September. He has two years left on his contract in Russia. Kostenko will compete for a backup job in the KHL this season, but more than likely will play another season at the junior level before graduating to the KHL in 2013-14. He is amenable to coming to the States after that."




Agree with those commenting on the interviews overall, and in particular, Carrick and DiPauli, as well as Forsberg.

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Fixed.
Green is much smarter than people think he is, I think. (That is saying very little.)

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Talking with various people who know or have met Green I usually get a similar story. Apparently the frat boy/********* attitude is a bit of a character that Green puts on, and he's really actually a kind and fairly intelligent guy otherwise.

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Carlson is definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.

I like that though, gives him a nastiness in a sort of way.

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Carlson is definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.

I like that though, gives him a nastiness in a sort of way.
It also probably lowers concussion risk and effects..

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Carlson is definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.

I like that though, gives him a nastiness in a sort of way.
Meanwhile, Alzner can't stop talking to take a breath. Probably why they make a great defensive pairing.


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