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06-25-2012, 10:52 PM
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One's two years out because he's not ready. One's two years out because he's not committed to be here (and I'd argue he's actually four years out from his draft class).
Fair points. Still a lot can happen in 2 years. Here's hoping 2014 sees the addition of two elite wingers.

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06-25-2012, 11:00 PM
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I really think Forsberg will be in the NHL in '13-'14.

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06-26-2012, 10:12 AM
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@BrownRecord: Kitchener Rangers defenceman Max Iafrate invited to Washington Capitals rookie development camp. #OHLRangers

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@BrownRecord: Kitchener Rangers defenceman Max Iafrate invited to Washington Capitals rookie development camp. #OHLRangers
first official 'fa' invite; I was holding off on pulling together a development camp thread, but maybe will pull one together in the next day or two.

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06-26-2012, 10:15 AM
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@BrownRecord: Kitchener Rangers defenceman Max Iafrate invited to Washington Capitals rookie development camp. #OHLRangers
Just when you thought our inbred suckfest stopped.


Ba ba boooooooooooom.

But...he's a decent player...so...whammy...

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06-26-2012, 10:18 AM
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Teams are allowed to sign undrafted players for a certain period after the draft, right? That's what they did with Anderson after he came to development came?

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06-26-2012, 10:45 AM
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Teams are allowed to sign undrafted players for a certain period after the draft, right? That's what they did with Anderson after he came to development came?
I typed this up to answer someone else's question in the FA thread. Signing a player after camp relates to where the player played hockey the prior season, NA or elsewhere, but from what I recall the signings typically happen after the September rookie camps.

Players get skipped over during the draft and signed during the summer/fall each year. For a few examples (not an exhaustive list, just some examples), see SJS/JP Anderson and Sgarbossa and yes, Washington/Brandon Anderson.

Philly's issue with Hyka last summer/fall related to Hyka being a European player and this is one of the places in the CBA where European players have different rules applied. There are some good write-ups if you search for the stuff about the Hyka situation last summer.

It's 8.9 in the CBA.

For a NA-based player last season, eligible and not selected in the draft, in simple terms, what happens is that a team can sign a player to a tryout contract for the summer at some point after the conclusion of the entry draft and if they decide they want to sign a player to an ELC, they do so before the tryout agreement expires. The expiration varies by age for the NA-based player, but again in simple terms, it's the start of the NHL season as long as they are on the tryout agreement.


OT: Also, some players do choose to attend more than one development camp in the summer, if the camps don't overlap.

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06-26-2012, 11:59 AM
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Really think Djoos was a smart pick. Gamble but good long-term potential.

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06-26-2012, 03:05 PM
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Just came to say you guys lucked the **** out getting Forsberg. Congrats.

And the way you guys made the pick was priceless. Had to come here and say it.

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Just came to say you guys lucked the **** out getting Forsberg. Congrats.

And the way you guys made the pick was priceless. Had to come here and say it.
....you mean GMGM trolling pittsburgh?

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06-26-2012, 03:26 PM
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Just came to say you guys lucked the **** out getting Forsberg. Congrats.

And the way you guys made the pick was priceless. Had to come here and say it.
Thanks, you guys had a great pick as well.

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....you mean GMGM trolling pittsburgh?
Absolutely. I've been away on vacation, seeing his reaction made me burst out laughing.

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06-26-2012, 05:38 PM
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Kuz has great skill and the spirit to be a big playoff performer. I think he'll pick up some bad habits in KHL (well, at least bad relative to NHL game and small ice), but if he comes over, he'll adjust over time and become a big time offensive player. Skills, size, confidence, big-game mentality -- all those things he has..

Even if by the time Kuz (and Forsberg) come over Caps are still failing in playoffs and Ovechkin gets run out of town, they could still have a great new young core in place:

MJ-Backstrom-Kuz
Galiev-2C-Forsberg
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Alzner-Carlson
3D-Orlov
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Holtby

..and they should be able to get great 2C/3D players back for Ovi..

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Kuz has great skill and the spirit to be a big playoff performer. I think he'll pick up some bad habits in KHL (well, at least bad relative to NHL game and small ice), but if he comes over, he'll adjust over time and become a big time offensive player. Skills, size, confidence, big-game mentality -- all those things he has..

Even if by the time Kuz (and Forsberg) come over Caps are still failing in playoffs and Ovechkin gets run out of town, they could still have a great new young core in place:

MJ-Backstrom-Kuz
Galiev-2C-Forsberg
...
Alzner-Carlson
3D-Orlov
...
Holtby

..and they should be able to get great 2C/3D players back for Ovi..

Agreed. Young Guns, Part Deux w/ a new GM will get us the Cup.

I worship Ovie but if he doesn't grok playing defense in the NHL very ****ing soon (when appropriate like when you are up 1 goal in the 3rd) then I'll be ready to trade him for a 1C.

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06-26-2012, 06:17 PM
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Ovechkin can play defense.

He was drafted as a 2 way player, hes been told to play otherwise. Bilya is the one who made him a 2 way player, and he showed it again during the WHC.

Ovechkin had shown at the very beginning of Hunter, when Hunters idea was forecheck hard and backcheck hard that he was fine doing that, but don't tell him to ***** foot around the ice like he was told too.

Hunter put him with 2 subpar forecheckers especially against top pairings, thinking it would be like 05-07, Ovechkin played with great forecheckers, and neither one of them were idiots like Brooks Laich who tries jamming the puck in with Ovechkin wide open.

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06-26-2012, 06:36 PM
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Ovechkin can play defense.

He was drafted as a 2 way player, hes been told to play otherwise. Bilya is the one who made him a 2 way player, and he showed it again during the WHC.

Ovechkin had shown at the very beginning of Hunter, when Hunters idea was forecheck hard and backcheck hard that he was fine doing that, but don't tell him to ***** foot around the ice like he was told too.

Hunter put him with 2 subpar forecheckers especially against top pairings, thinking it would be like 05-07, Ovechkin played with great forecheckers, and neither one of them were idiots like Brooks Laich who tries jamming the puck in with Ovechkin wide open.
2-way player... huh?

In any case, Ovi's biggest problem on defense is not (lack of) forechecking or even backchecking -- it's not working hard in the defensive zone to help break opponents' cycle, not filling passing lines, etc.

And his biggest problem overall is weak-sauce play on the boards, which, as much as I like the guy, is completely unacceptable for a guy of his size and power.

It all amounts to his linemates having to do 90% of the puck-retrieval work, and probably his line missing a huge chunk of possession time.. It's effin maddening..

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06-26-2012, 06:53 PM
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Ovechkin drafted as a two-way player? Seriously?

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06-26-2012, 10:50 PM
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Heh, at the 3:07 mark Pierre calls him fundamentally sound defensively and notes defensive awareness.

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06-26-2012, 10:55 PM
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Heh, at the 3:07 mark Pierre calls him fundamentally sound defensively and notes defensive awareness.
It's Pierre Maguire. Has he ever had a negative word to say about a prospect?

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06-27-2012, 12:51 AM
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It's Pierre Maguire. Has he ever had a negative word to say about a prospect?
Oh I know, but it's still funny looking back at it.

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Boy that was fun to watch again.

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Pierre wasn't the one saying it, several scouts, including scouting reports you can go ahead and Google, say Ovechkin was great two way player.

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You guys need to get who ever coached Ovy before he came over.

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Ironic because in 2004-05 season he was coached by Vladimir "Krik" ("Scream") Krikunov - one of the most defensive and demanding coaches over here.

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[QUOTE=charlamov71;51504383. His problem right now is his lack of strength and weight, he loses his balance and falls quite easily and his legs look really thin.[/QUOTE]

Yeah he certainly does fall alot and will probably be painted out as a huge diver in NHL if he doesn't sort his balance out , sure gets us alot of powerplays though.

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