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06-25-2012, 03:51 PM
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Minnesota is supposedly interested in Paul Martin if other targets go elsewhere. This gives even more potential cap room for Ray Shero to make his offers on July 1st.
Minnesota is also said to be planning to send Parise a very large offer. If they miss out chances are wherever Parise goes it will be for more than the 7 million being used in these calculations. Suter is also likely to command more than 7 million. Considered how many teams have a significant amount of cap space to spend 7 million for either of those players seems low and unlikely to happen.

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Already been over this about five times. This is with Ragamuffin's proposed incomplete roster:

http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster.php?id=8290
why are you treating Ragamuffin's proposed roster as gospel when plenty of other have posted more fiscally responsible alternatives?

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Already been over this about five times. This is with Ragamuffin's proposed incomplete roster:

http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster.php?id=8290
You have to take into consideration that "each" and every season will be a new task at hand to make the team fit while compliant.

They only have to start with this up and coming season then go from there.

The Pens probably have the best numbers man in the league.

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Minnesota is also said to be planning to send Parise a very large offer. If they miss out chances are wherever Parise goes it will be for more than the 7 million being used in these calculations. Suter is also likely to command more than 7 million. Considered how many teams have a significant amount of cap space to spend 7 million for either of those players seems low and unlikely to happen.
Like most top players, going to a contender who stay near the cap limit know they have to leave a bit of money on the table if they want to be a part of a serious contender. Will they? who knows.

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Like most top players, going to a contender who stay near the cap limit know they have to leave a bit of money on the table if they want to be a part of a serious contender. Will they? who knows.
They could, but if you have multiple contenders bidding for them will they have to? With Suter if say Detroit, Vancouver, and Philly also bid chances are he won't have to do that. And if its true that he would prefer to stay in the west he'd be more apt to give a discount to a Detroit or a Vancouver.

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The Pens don't get guys well below market Value. Crosby and Malkin are still the second and third highest cap hits. They signed at a time when they were actually losing awards to Ovie before his back slide. The Brady analogy makes no sense. Neal had one big season and still signed a pretty big contract. Letang is the only guy that jumps out as totally underpaid on the Pens.

Teams that have guys taking discounts that jump out are Vancouver (Sedins set the bar), Chicago (Toews and Kane lower than necessary), and Detroit (Z, Franzen). I don't think the Pens are even close to the first team I would bring up in that discussion.
Crosby is going to resign at 9mil for 10 years....Mega discount! Malkin will do the same...Mega discount.

Neal is 24, he goal totals of 22, 24, 27, and 40...yeah I can see why you think he is over paid

And if you don't think that when MAF signed for 5 mil per season was a huge discount, you obviously don't know chit!

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They could, but if you have multiple contenders bidding for them will they have to? With Suter if say Detroit, Vancouver, and Philly also bid chances are he won't have to do that. And if its true that he would prefer to stay in the west he'd be more apt to give a discount to a Detroit or a Vancouver.
A Ray Shero selling point: Do you really want to do all that traveling still playing in the Western Conference?

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Minnesota is supposedly interested in Paul Martin if other targets go elsewhere. This gives even more potential cap room for Ray Shero to make his offers on July 1st.
we are?
i know i'm not interested at all

edit: in all seriousness, where did you hear this? we have the money but why the hell would we trade assets to get Martin, then overpay him?


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Crosby is going to resign at 9mil for 10 years....Mega discount! Malkin will do the same...Mega discount.

Neal is 24, he goal totals of 22, 24, 27, and 40...yeah I can see why you think he is over paid

And if you don't think that when MAF signed for 5 mil per season was a huge discount, you obviously don't know chit!
Fleury at 5 million is overpaid and at no point in time was he ever a huge discount. Might want to wait until Malkin actually re-signs before declaring him a discount.

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Fleury at 5 million is overpaid and at no point in time was he ever a huge discount. Might want to wait until Malkin actually re-signs before declaring him a discount.
I agree that Marc Andre Fleury should never have a bad regular season or playoffs and the Pens organization should just forget about the time when he backstopped the club to back to back Stanley Cup Final apperances winning one of them due largely to his goaltending. By the way when is Jimmy Howard or Henrik Lundqvist going backstop his team to just one Stanley Cup appearance before it is declared you can't win with him in goal?


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I agree that Marc Andre Fleury should never have a bad regular season or playoffs and the Pens organization should just forget about the time when he backstopped the club to back to back Stanley Cup Final apperances winning one of them due largely to his goaltending. By the way when is Jimmy Howard going backstop his team to just one Stanley Cup appearance before it is declared you can't win with him in goal?
Couldn't have said it better, Just a suggestion, next time include a "" so its easier if people don't feel like reading it.

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I agree that Marc Andre Fleury should never have a bad regular season or playoffs and the Pens organization should just forget about the time when he backstopped the club to back to back Stanley Cup Final apperances winning one of them due largely to his goaltending. By the way when is Jimmy Howard or Henrik Lundqvist going backstop his team to just one Stanley Cup appearance before it is declared you can't win with him in goal?
Not to mention that Jimmy Howard is actually 6 months OLDER than MAF.

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I agree that Marc Andre Fleury should never have a bad regular season or playoffs and the Pens organization should just forget about the time when he backstopped the club to back to back Stanley Cup Final apperances winning one of them due largely to his goaltending. By the way when is Jimmy Howard going backstop his team to just one Stanley Cup appearance before it is declared you can't win with him in goal?
Unless you are the New York Yankees you do not pay players for their past performance. If Fleury were a FA today he would not be commanding 5 million a year. Are you seriously comparing Fleury to Lundqvist? Fleury is not even close to being at Lundqvist's level. Lundqvist did backstop Sweden to an olympic gold medal. Winning a cup does not make you a great goalie. It didn't make Trent Dilfer a great QB.

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Unless you are the New York Yankees you do not pay players for their past performance. If Fleury were a FA today he would not be commanding 5 million a year. Are you seriously comparing Fleury to Lundqvist? Fleury is not even close to being at Lundqvist's level. Lundqvist did backstop Sweden to an olympic gold medal. Winning a cup does not make you a great goalie. It didn't make Trent Dilfer a great QB.
Winning a cup certainly increases your value though and reputation. Fleury is a great goaltender but last year he wasn't rested enough which was his big down-fall. With Vokoun behind him now he can look to having 30 games off at least and being rested more for the play-offs.

Fleury would command $5m +

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Unless you are the New York Yankees you do not pay players for their past performance. If Fleury were a FA today he would not be commanding 5 million a year. Are you seriously comparing Fleury to Lundqvist? Fleury is not even close to being at Lundqvist's level. Lundqvist did backstop Sweden to an olympic gold medal. Winning a cup does not make you a great goalie. It didn't make Trent Dilfer a great QB.
If Fleury were a FA today, there would absolutely be a team that would offer him 5mil a year.

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Unless you are the New York Yankees you do not pay players for their past performance. If Fleury were a FA today he would not be commanding 5 million a year. Are you seriously comparing Fleury to Lundqvist? Fleury is not even close to being at Lundqvist's level. Lundqvist did backstop Sweden to an olympic gold medal. Winning a cup does not make you a great goalie. It didn't make Trent Dilfer a great QB.
Correct, King Henry is a better goalie than Fleury. The Pens aren't the Yankees and they compete for a Stanley cup not an olympic medal. How dare you not consider Trent Dilfer a great QB!

So uh yeah....Suter, that'd be nice.

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If Fleury were a FA today, there would absolutely be a team that would offer him 5mil a year.
One of them would be Pittsburgh themselves.

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In Shero I trust. I would expect him to go after Suter just just because of what happened in the Flyers series. Add to that the Nashville connection and I think he will make a run at him (along with a lot of other teams).

As a Pens fan it might be a pipe dream to think we can sign both Suter and Parise but I can dream. You just have hope that Zach being friends with Sid and wanting to win help us out here because I don't think we will be the highest offer.

Oh and we would have to move Martin to have enough cap flexibility.

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Unless you are the New York Yankees you do not pay players for their past performance. If Fleury were a FA today he would not be commanding 5 million a year. Are you seriously comparing Fleury to Lundqvist? Fleury is not even close to being at Lundqvist's level. Lundqvist did backstop Sweden to an olympic gold medal. Winning a cup does not make you a great goalie. It didn't make Trent Dilfer a great QB.
You're right, just winning a cup doesn't make you a great goalie. Being considered to be one of the 3 best goalies from Canada, having been to 2 Cup finals before the age of 26, having been mentioned in the vezina race, being a #1 overall pick, being a lock to have the most wins by a goalie in your franchises history by the time you turn 28....Yeah, those things are things that make you great, and MAF has accomplished them all.

Nothing against Hank, because he is awesome. However, he plays in a very goalie friendly system, MAF does not. If your a fantasy hockey owner...yeah, you take Hank 100 out of 100. The gap just isn't so huge in real life, especially considering what the Pens ask of MAF in their system.

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You're right, just winning a cup doesn't make you a great goalie. Being considered to be one of the 3 best goalies from Canada, having been to 2 Cup finals before the age of 26, having been mentioned in the vezina race, being a #1 overall pick, being a lock to have the most wins by a goalie in your franchises history by the time you turn 28....Yeah, those things are things that make you great, and MAF has accomplished them all.

Nothing against Hank, because he is awesome. However, he plays in a very goalie friendly system, MAF does not. If your a fantasy hockey owner...yeah, you take Hank 100 out of 100. The gap just isn't so huge in real life, especially considering what the Pens ask of MAF in their system.
although I agree with you on almost all your points, just save it. You're not going to get through to that guy haha

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vokoun >>>>>>> MAF.

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You're right, just winning a cup doesn't make you a great goalie. Being considered to be one of the 3 best goalies from Canada, having been to 2 Cup finals before the age of 26, having been mentioned in the vezina race, being a #1 overall pick, being a lock to have the most wins by a goalie in your franchises history by the time you turn 28....Yeah, those things are things that make you great, and MAF has accomplished them all.

Nothing against Hank, because he is awesome. However, he plays in a very goalie friendly system, MAF does not. If your a fantasy hockey owner...yeah, you take Hank 100 out of 100. The gap just isn't so huge in real life, especially considering what the Pens ask of MAF in their system.
The gap between Henrik and MAF is HUUUGGGEEEE. You're crazy to suggest otherwise. Henrik is top2 in the league, MAF is average to slightly above average.

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I agree that Marc Andre Fleury should never have a bad regular season or playoffs and the Pens organization should just forget about the time when he backstopped the club to back to back Stanley Cup Final apperances winning one of them due largely to his goaltending. By the way when is Jimmy Howard or Henrik Lundqvist going backstop his team to just one Stanley Cup appearance before it is declared you can't win with him in goal?
LOL. Howard >>> Osgood. He won three. Just sayin'.

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LOL. Howard >>> Osgood. He won three. Just sayin'.
Are you basing that on perceptions or facts?

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I agree that Marc Andre Fleury should never have a bad regular season or playoffs and the Pens organization should just forget about the time when he backstopped the club to back to back Stanley Cup Final apperances winning one of them due largely to his goaltending. By the way when is Jimmy Howard or Henrik Lundqvist going backstop his team to just one Stanley Cup appearance before it is declared you can't win with him in goal?
.908 sv% isn't backstopping your team. That's called winning in spite of.

The year they lost in the SCF he was much better with a .933 sv%.

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