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06-23-2012, 09:17 AM
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I want Collberg or Aberg.

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I think he's suggesting both will start up the negro hockey league (like the WHA) and be the only 2 players on one team and will win the championship every year, it's pretty clear when you read his post in between the lines.
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Huh? P.K is not leaving MTL they're locking him up long-term and he's a long-term star in the making for them, and you think that Malcolm has a high possibility of bolting when? His 3 years in Junior? When his ELC expires, I don't understand what you're trying to say here, there is no such high possibility of any of this occuring.
Exactly .... Whenever Malcolm is ready to play in the nhl, he'll backup rask for a few years and then likely bolt. Since montreal usually grows tired of their goalies pretty fast, i dont forsee them having Price in the way once malcolm bolts to them.

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No actually those trades didn't irk me, hence why I never started a thread on them because I know that it was not possible to acquire Staal, I'm realistic in that I understand the Leafs don't have the assets to pull off a deal like that. They can't match the young talent Carolina gave up.

What does irk me is how easy it was to aquire a pick in that range, set us up in the future in goal, and how we let it get away, to Boston nonetheless. Jesus indeed.
How could we not match that?

They gave up:

8th overall: We had fifth. fifth > 8th
Dumoulin: a nice prospect, but do you not think gardiner is worth more?
Sutter: the one guy they have who we don't have a comparable player for, but you have to think someone like Kulemin or Frattin is probably close in value.

Trading for Staal would have been stupid by leafs brass, not impossible. If he didn't want to stay in pittsburgh, why would he want to stay in toronto? Carolina was the logical choice for him, and they made sure they got him...and good on them for it.

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I think he's suggesting both will start up the negro hockey league (like the WHA) and be the only 2 players on one team and will win the championship every year, it's pretty clear when you read his post in between the lines.
As a black man, this made me pause, then laugh, then shake my head, then laugh again.

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06-23-2012, 09:20 AM
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It's not like he had a choice of getting Subban but he missed it. To move you need additional assets other than 35th overall. It would most likely require a roster player which is incredibly foolish.



Since when is moving up easy?

Actually, that's exactly what it is. It's not difficult to aquire another 1st rounder, didn't Burke spew a whole lot of rhetoric about how he could have aquired four 1st rounders at the deadline but chose not to and continue making a run at 8th? Buffalo aquired another 1st at the deadline easily, Tampa did it, why couldn't and didn't Burke do it? Too busy running around Mike Gillis.

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06-23-2012, 09:22 AM
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Potential picks at #35...

I profess to have no inside knowledge of what the the Leafs are thinking about doing today... but based on what's still available, they may be looking at one of the following players...

Sebastian Collberg - RW Frolunda (SEL) - 5-11/175 - swift skating scoring wing... not overly big but doesn't mind getting his nose dirty... one of the standouts on Sweden's gold medal winning WJC team...uses a incredibly short stick but generates outstanding power and accuracy with it...

Colton Sissons - C Kelowna (WHL) - 6-0/190 - strong 2-way pivot with outstanding leadership skills... skating needs more work... probably 2nd or 3rd line NHLer... may be better off playing wing at the next level due to limited ice vision... though he excels at the face-off dot...

Martin Frk - RW Halifax (QMJHL) - 6-0/200 - flashy Czech born winger missed 1st half of season with concussion issues... struggles with consistency... can drive right through opponents with power and speed one night and disappear the next... 1st round talent who could be a potential home run on Day 2...

Dalton Thrower - D Saskatoon (WHL) - 5-11/190 - intriguing combination of skill and aggression... modest size belies an almost reckless physicality... pound for pound, perhaps the toughest player in this draft... demonstrates true leadership potential... generally fights only when sticking up for team mates...

Pontus Aberg – LW Djurgardens (SEL) – 5-1/195 – aggressive to the point of recklessness… missed many games and tourneys in 11/12 with injuries as a result… good offensive winger with decent wheels and a variety of effective shots…

Brady Vail - C Windsor (OHL) - 6-0/195 - another 2-way pivot who generally draws the opponents top player... not a pretty skater but he gets there... not chippy at all but still dominates physical battles due to impressive strength... scored 20+ goals despite being used mainly in a defensive role by Spits...

Cristoval "Boo" Nieves - C Kent (USHS) - 6-3/185 - entire game is based on blinding speed and clever play making... at this point in his development, has a great trouble finishing the opportunities that his skating prowess creates... must become stronger but has the frame to do so... will attend Michigan U next fall...

Jarrod Maidens - C Owen Sound - 6-0/180 - like Frk, another talented attacker who missed much of 2011/12 due to a concussion... very strong skater who goes to the net with abandon... though strong, generally plays a finesse game rather than an overly physical one...

Oscar Dansk – G Brynas (SEL) – 6-2/185 – Swedish stopper possesses ideal NHL size and advanced technique… saved his best performances in 11/12 for international tourneys, thus gaining a reputation as a “winner”… familiar with North American hockey after playing as a highschooler in Minnesota…

Lukas Sutter - C Saskatoon (WHL) - 6-0/215 - son of former NHLer Rich, became team's top scorer this year due to improvements in skating, strength and conditioning... plays the game in typically Sutter style... lots of sandpaper and very annoying to play against... carries a swagger and cannot be intimidated...

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Err....Malcom Subban might be athletic but he's got a terrible terrible glove hand. He's not that good.

I'd take Vasilevski and Dansk above him. In general, goalies are a crapshoot in the first round.

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Exactly .... Whenever Malcolm is ready to play in the nhl, he'll backup rask for a few years and then likely bolt. Since montreal usually grows tired of their goalies pretty fast, i dont forsee them having Price in the way once malcolm bolts to them.
Right, so when he would have been ready to play in the NHL for us, who would he be backing up? Reimer? Scrivens? A 38 year old stop gap journeyman? Come on man.

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Dougie Hamilton looks pretty damn good. Hopefully Rielly will be better though

And to OP I would have liked to grab Vasilevski, or Subban, but who knows what the price was to move up. Maybe we will be able to grab Dansk today.

OT: Has anyone made a "Morgan Rielly looks like a young Bill Clinton" comment yet?



At least in the pic he does.

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Actually, that's exactly what it is. It's not difficult to aquire another 1st rounder, didn't Burke spew a whole lot of rhetoric about how he could have aquired four 1st rounders at the deadline but chose not to and continue making a run at 8th? Buffalo aquired another 1st at the deadline easily, Tampa did it, why couldn't and didn't Burke do it? Too busy running around Mike Gillis.
The 4 players were Grabovski, Reimer, Schenn and Macarthur correct?

It makes zero sense for us to trade Grabo, Reimer and Schenn at this point.

Mac would have made sense, but it was a conditional 1st. Who knows what those conditions were.

We have no clue what the price was to move up into the first, and how hard Burke was trying.

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Err....Malcom Subban might be athletic but he's got a terrible terrible glove hand. He's not that good.

I'd take Vasilevski and Dansk above him. In general, goalies are a crapshoot in the first round.
Either way, a crapshoot and risk that needed to be taken, especially with no goalie prospect to speak of waiting in the wings. Missed opportunity, thats all. Nothing new for a Leafs fan.

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The 4 players were Grabovski, Reimer, Schenn and Macarthur correct?

It makes zero sense for us to trade Grabo, Reimer and Schenn at this point.

Mac would have made sense, but it was a conditional 1st. Who knows what those conditions were.

We have no clue what the price was to move up into the first, and how hard Burke was trying.
From what I recall they were MacArthur, Armstrong, and nothing about Schenn or Reimer. Grabovski contract is yet to be determined whether that was a good signing or not, 5.5 million he better start producing a lot more than he did last year.

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Err....Malcom Subban might be athletic but he's got a terrible terrible glove hand. He's not that good.

I'd take Vasilevski and Dansk above him. In general, goalies are a crapshoot in the first round.
To be fair, a bad glove hand seems to be the knock on a lot of goalies.

What impresses me so much about Subban is how good he is already, considering the relatively short amount of time he's been playing goalie.

Id take Vasilevski before him, but probably not Dansk.

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Actually, that's exactly what it is. It's not difficult to aquire another 1st rounder, didn't Burke spew a whole lot of rhetoric about how he could have aquired four 1st rounders at the deadline but chose not to and continue making a run at 8th? Buffalo aquired another 1st at the deadline easily, Tampa did it, why couldn't and didn't Burke do it? Too busy running around Mike Gillis.

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From what I recall they were MacArthur, Armstrong, and nothing about Schenn or Reimer. Grabovski contract is yet to be determined whether that was a good signing or not, 5.5 million he better start producing a lot more than he did last year.
Nobody would have offered a 1st for Armstrong. That's just silly.

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Nobody would have offered a 1st for Armstrong. That's just silly.
It wasn't. It was macarthur, schenn, reimer, and grabvoski, all of whom are worth more than late first round picks. Mac is the one guy I'd even think about moving for that...

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From what I recall they were MacArthur, Armstrong, and nothing about Schenn or Reimer. Grabovski contract is yet to be determined whether that was a good signing or not, 5.5 million he better start producing a lot more than he did last year.
Uh unless I somehow completely missed it, no one offered a first for Colby Armstrong. Why would any team do that? lol

Burke said a team offered a 1st for Reimer.

I cant remember if Schenn was the 4th name. Hopefully someone else can confirm?

As for Grabo we basically had no choice but to get him signed. The UFA market is absolutely terrible this year, especially at center. We couldnt risk going into next year with Bozak Connolly as our top 2 centers. Im expecting Grabo's contract will look alright after we see some centers like Gaustad getting big contracts this summer.

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If they pick a D-man I smell a Leafs Nation melt down for the ages.

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If they pick a D-man I smell a Leafs Nation melt down for the ages.
I'd prefer a forward, but Matt Finn or Dalton Thrower would be great picks at that spot.

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If they pick a D-man I smell a Leafs Nation melt down for the ages.
They will pick whoever is BPA, if it's a D then they will choose that. They don't give a **** about the needs. I guess they are collecting bpa to trade for something big in the future.

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Whats left from TSN's Top 60:

21. Matthew Finn
27. Sebastien Collberg
30. Phillip Di Giuseppe
31. Ville Pokka
32. Martin Frk
33. Colton Sissons
34. Ludvig Bystrom
35. Oscar Dansk
37. Pontus Aberg
39. Dalton Thrower
40. Nicolas Kerdiles
42. Patrick Sieloff
43. Scott Kosmachuk
44. Mike Winther
45. Damon Severson
46. Brian Hart
47. Daniil Zharkov
48. Jarrod Maidens
49. Adam Pelech
50. Tim Bozon
51. Cristoval Nieves
52. Lukas Sutter
53. Jake McCabe
54. Matthew Murray
55. Samuel Kurker
56. Mitchell Moroz
57. Devin Shore
58. Matia Marcantuoni
59. Brock McGinn
60. Brady Vail

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Not only do they have Rask, who should have been staring for the Leafs since last year, they drafted the next top goalie that will be ready to take over in 3 years. He has the vertical and reach of an NBA player, he’s more athletic than most goalies out there, and he’s a special prospect that will undoubtedly become a starter in goal, the comparisons to Price are not off base. What position do the Leafs need the most? How difficult would it have been to get another first rounder around 25 and draft him, let him develop, and then bring him on board when he’s ready to take over from whatever journeyman the Leafs will have in goal at that time?

How do you let that opportunity go? Burke and his staff are as near sighted as can be. Pisses me off that Chirelli who rarely botches a 1st round pick, drafts a goalie the day Tim Thomas says he will have his no-trade clause, wasted no time in setting up the future, and we have a GM who’s been here for 5 years now and is wasting his time with Reimer, Scrivens, and acquiring an aging veteran with a 10 year contract. Missed the mark so hard on this one it’s annoying.
Relax. Vertical reach etc. don't automatically translate into the best goalie ever. Tim Thomas is not an athlete yet he's produced some of the best seasons ever as a tender. Ditto Martin Brodeur -- often described as out of shape.

But so what -- they got a good prospect. Leafs got arguably the best dman prospect in the draft -- if he was healthy. The top young offensive blue liner. Compared to Karlson.

What was Burke supposed to do -- draft him 5th overall. Relax.

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I profess to have no inside knowledge of what the the Leafs are thinking about doing today... but based on what's still available, they may be looking at one of the following players...

Sebastian Collberg - RW Frolunda (SEL) - 5-11/175 - swift skating scoring wing... not overly big but doesn't mind getting his nose dirty... one of the standouts on Sweden's gold medal winning WJC team...uses a incredibly short stick but generates outstanding power and accuracy with it...

Colton Sissons - C Kelowna (WHL) - 6-0/190 - strong 2-way pivot with outstanding leadership skills... skating needs more work... probably 2nd or 3rd line NHLer... may be better off playing wing at the next level due to limited ice vision... though he excels at the face-off dot...

Martin Frk - RW Halifax (QMJHL) - 6-0/200 - flashy Czech born winger missed 1st half of season with concussion issues... struggles with consistency... can drive right through opponents with power and speed one night and disappear the next... 1st round talent who could be a potential home run on Day 2...

Dalton Thrower - D Saskatoon (WHL) - 5-11/190 - intriguing combination of skill and aggression... modest size belies an almost reckless physicality... pound for pound, perhaps the toughest player in this draft... demonstrates true leadership potential... generally fights only when sticking up for team mates...

Pontus Aberg – LW Djurgardens (SEL) – 5-1/195 – aggressive to the point of recklessness… missed many games and tourneys in 11/12 with injuries as a result… good offensive winger with decent wheels and a variety of effective shots…

Brady Vail - C Windsor (OHL) - 6-0/195 - another 2-way pivot who generally draws the opponents top player... not a pretty skater but he gets there... not chippy at all but still dominates physical battles due to impressive strength... scored 20+ goals despite being used mainly in a defensive role by Spits...

Cristoval "Boo" Nieves - C Kent (USHS) - 6-3/185 - entire game is based on blinding speed and clever play making... at this point in his development, has a great trouble finishing the opportunities that his skating prowess creates... must become stronger but has the frame to do so... will attend Michigan U next fall...

Jarrod Maidens - C Owen Sound - 6-0/180 - like Frk, another talented attacker who missed much of 2011/12 due to a concussion... very strong skater who goes to the net with abandon... though strong, generally plays a finesse game rather than an overly physical one...

Oscar Dansk – G Brynas (SEL) – 6-2/185 – Swedish stopper possesses ideal NHL size and advanced technique… saved his best performances in 11/12 for international tourneys, thus gaining a reputation as a “winner”… familiar with North American hockey after playing as a highschooler in Minnesota…

Lukas Sutter - C Saskatoon (WHL) - 6-0/215 - son of former NHLer Rich, became team's top scorer this year due to improvements in skating, strength and conditioning... plays the game in typically Sutter style... lots of sandpaper and very annoying to play against... carries a swagger and cannot be intimidated...
Collberg, Nieves, Frk or Dansk for me.

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