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10-18-2013, 09:07 PM
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Milhaus believes he'd go it juniors and dangle and develop a fancy offensive game. I don't really see it myself for that type of player.
Hehe. Wilson the dangler.

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what would he get better at?
Handling the puck, shooting the puck both forehand and backhand, passing the puck both forehand and backhand, skating both power and quickness, beating players with something other than size and strength, his play away from the puck both offensively and defensively, his play along the wall, his defensive game, shall I go on...?

Right now Wilson is big, strong, fights well enough, and despite the usual poor angles he takes while going for big hits when he does get a piece of someone they know it. The rest of his game is worthy of a 4th line goon/spare forward. He does absolutely nothing well with the puck on his stick and when he doesn't have the puck he is only very slightly better.

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10-18-2013, 11:28 PM
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Wilson is a power forward. that means battling for goals in front of the net. I have seen nowhere that he is supposed to be a sniper.

He's not going to learn how to get position and keep his stick free against 16 year olds if he is already a handful for an nhl regular to handle.

otherwise, what is he missing? he is learning the speed of the nhl and learning to read nhl play. he is learning angles to hit an nhl player. he is learning how fast the puck moves on an nhl forecheck.
My question is. Does he bring something to the team that we cannot find with the players we already have? Is he the best choice? With his ELC and bonuses he's expensive cap hit wise.

There's usually only one or two 16 year olds on each team. Each team can carry 3 20 year olds. The rest are 17, 18 and 19 year olds. Usually weighted more towards 18 and 19 because the owners want to win and the older players are usually better.

Wilson may look like Lindros and remind Oates of Lindros but he is not Lindros. Lindros went # 1 for a reason.

Now the NHL is a development league?

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10-19-2013, 03:31 AM
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My question is. Does he bring something to the team that we cannot find with the players we already have? Is he the best choice? With his ELC and bonuses he's expensive cap hit wise.

There's usually only one or two 16 year olds on each team. Each team can carry 3 20 year olds. The rest are 17, 18 and 19 year olds. Usually weighted more towards 18 and 19 because the owners want to win and the older players are usually better.

Wilson may look like Lindros and remind Oates of Lindros but he is not Lindros. Lindros went # 1 for a reason.

Now the NHL is a development league?
Huh? 3rd cheapest forward on the team?

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10-19-2013, 04:25 AM
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And also, he might not reach his bonus criteria (whatever they are?) which gives the management more space to work with, since his actual salary is 894,167$, if it comes to that!

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And also, he might not reach his bonus criteria (whatever they are?) which gives the management more space to work with, since his actual salary is 894,167$, if it comes to that!
More space to work with? Most performance bonuses count towards the cap all season, because unless it is impossible to meet, it still counts towards the cap. Impossible does not mean scoring 15 goals in one game, if there is still a game left to play that goals performance bonus would still be on the books. Unable to meet in terms of something like a GP bonus where the games remaining are fewer than the games needed are the types of performance bonuses which adjust during the season.

In addition, the Caps are already using performance bonus cushion space and LTIR to maintain the current roster. Before Hillen on LTIR, they were using performance bonus cushion space and they still are. They were using performance bonus cushion space with Carrik and Latta's contracts when they were on the roster, too. At this time, they are using performance bonus cushion space with Wilson, Schmidt and Urbom plus Hillen LTIR cap to maintain this roster.

What's true is that Wilson or Schmidt or Urbom or someone else might not meet any or all of their performance bonuses in terms of end of year calculations and possibly not having to push any against next year's cap, but doesn't change things for this season.

Back to Wilson, I'm not a fan of how they utilized him the first nine games or the decision, but I am disappointed in the decision. I've expressed my reasons in this and other discussions on the topic.
I think most agree AHL would be ideal but we know that is not an option.

Back to the OHL discussion, while I agree there would be some possible targeting, as is well-established Wilson isn't a kid with a slight build, I think it is an over-stated concern. I do think there are things he could work on and improve at that level and I don't see how he's avoiding much with the hitting and fights occurring at the NHL level, too. From what I have observed, I think his Plymouth coach is spot on in the assessment he had of Wilson as told to Ben Raby and reported here.

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10-19-2013, 01:23 PM
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I'm sure playing 6 minutes per game in an energy role with the occasional opportunity to break his hand is the best development route.

I'm sure burning a year off Wilson's ELC in a role that half a dozen other players in the system could do at league minimum is the best salary- and asset-management decision.

I'm sure keeping Wilson up has nothing to do with the front office saving face after the increasingly-painful MP trade and is purely a hockey decision.

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will he be playing NHL or AHL next year?

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will he be playing NHL or AHL next year?
Depends on the injury and conditioning. They've been saying he would be ready for camp but he'll be losing summer conditioning if he has a bum wheel. If healthy and ok conditioning would expect him in the NHL.

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will he be playing NHL or AHL next year?
Based on Trotz's usual pattern, outside of Jones last year, of getting pretty much all of his young players at least half a season in the AHL I would have said he was going to spend most of the season in Hershey even if he was 100% healthy now. Given the ankle injury, which at this point all we know is it isn't nothing, I think it is likely he starts the season in a Bear's jersey.

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Welp, with Ovi still at RW, we are overloaded up and down that right side of our lineup. Its going to be tough sledding for him again this year, barring injury.

We had no RW injuries last year, well because the 3 guys in front of him barely did anything to risk themselves. So he was stuck on 4 all year, even when we were eliminated. Its a small miracle he got PP time in that blowout for his first.

Trotz has a lot of work to do... what to do with Willie may be one of his easier decisions.

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I'm as big a Wilson fan as you'll find, and I'd be good with him spending the season with Hershey, playing big-time minutes ES and on the PP.

Short-term the player may not adapt the best (see Nate Schmidt's comments), but getting the player bigger minutes - instead of having them rot on the 4th line - is the biggest thing for me. That's development, and I tend to think that Wilson would benefit from Top 6/2nd pp minutes in Hershey.

Now, best straight-up with the player, look them in the eye when you tell them. No non-communicative BS.

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Well he wont be ready for camp due to the mystery ankle.

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Fractured Fibula, the non-weight bearing bone in your lower leg. Shouldn't be a big deal.

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Fractured Fibula, the non-weight bearing bone in your lower leg. Shouldn't be a big deal.
To add, he's supposed to return during camp.

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To add, he's supposed to return during camp.
And I'm sure he'll be in fantastic shape when he returns...

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And I'm sure he'll be in fantastic shape when he returns...
Considering it is the Fibula he can probably start on a stationary bike in a week or two, depending on the exact break of course. He won't be in hockey shape of course, but neither will OV or Green or Backstrom or Laich...

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it'd be nice to have wilson out there to make up for some of the softness of this team. aside from ovi hardly anyone throws the body around or makes those momentum shifting big hits

which is another thing i hope trotz instills in the team, get used to hitting and taking hits and being more aggresive. our top dmen like carlson, alzner and espcially ****in green should be hitting people way more often, and not these soft little pushes i see green do. hit people for crying out loud. i think trotz will be able to and maybe toughen up this team

cant get constantly pushed around on the ice and expect to win stanley cups

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it'd be nice to have wilson out there to make up for some of the softness of this team. aside from ovi hardly anyone throws the body around or makes those momentum shifting big hits

which is another thing i hope trotz instills in the team, get used to hitting and taking hits and being more aggresive. our top dmen like carlson, alzner and espcially ****in green should be hitting people way more often, and not these soft little pushes i see green do. hit people for crying out loud. i think trotz will be able to and maybe toughen up this team

cant get constantly pushed around on the ice and expect to win stanley cups
I hope that is the hidden value in the Orpik deal. If he can teach these guys to stand up for themselves. And help to change the culture of the team. His deal will have value long after he is gone.

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That being said if they had taken Teravainen with that pick I would have been much happier...
I stand by this post...

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I standby my post saying the Forsberg trade was ****ing stupid and Wilson's offensive shortcoming would be trivial if Forsberg was RW here.

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I standby my post saying the Forsberg trade was ****ing stupid and Wilson's offensive shortcoming would be trivial if Forsberg was RW here.
Conversely, having Teuvo here could soften the blow of losing Forsberg.

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I standby my post saying the Forsberg trade was ****ing stupid and Wilson's offensive shortcoming would be trivial if Forsberg was RW here.
The Forsberg trade was ****ing stupid, period. Even if Wilson becomes a 30 goal guy it was stupid.

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I stand by my ahem post that had we retained FF he would have been converted to C / assumed more defensive responsibilities, buried in the bottom 6 or in Hershey for a significant part of the year, incurred scratches, and would not have been in Calder discussions this year.

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