I wish he could just play in the CHL or AHL. I think he would be ready to play in the AHL..
Isn't the AHL neck and neck with the KHL as the second best league? If he can't crack the lineup as the 13th forward in a lower league than the AHL, why would he be ready for the AHL?
Thank you for this. Can you share anymore of the philosophy as to how they see his development.
Given Bergeron's more open philosophy and allowing TT to speak more, is there anyway the organization would make prospects development an open book?
What would be the point of that? Just to make a few die-hard fans happy? Most fans don't really give that much importance to how the prospects do in their development. They cheer for the team on the ice and that's it.
Isn't the AHL neck and neck with the KHL as the second best league? If he can't crack the lineup as the 13th forward in a lower league than the AHL, why would he be ready for the AHL?
I never watched KHL, and probably never will, but i thought it was common knowledge that the KHL is higher caliber than the AHL.
Isn't the AHL neck and neck with the KHL as the second best league? If he can't crack the lineup as the 13th forward in a lower league than the AHL, why would he be ready for the AHL?
Because if you'd have read the thread, you would know that Collberg's lack of icetime has less to do with "not being ready" and more to do with other factor's like the coach's philosophy towards junior players on a veteran-heavy team.
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I never watched KHL, and probably never will, but i thought it was common knowledge that the KHL is higher caliber than the AHL.
It's apples and oranges, really. Is the KHL a higher skilled league? Yes. Will it prepare you better for the NHL than the AHL? Probably not.
Basically Frölunda have a very good junior program, and a new management (many changes were made one year ago) who says to the media that we need juniors on the senior squad and that the organisations bleeds economically so we need to rely on our own players and not signing foreigners and star players like the team has done for quite some time. All this while our current GM and Head coach (yes he holds both positions...) Kenta Johansson refuses to play juniors and goes and signs big name players this summer. All this while the team can not produce, and has a lousy PP, but instead of giving Collberg a shot he sends out more established glorified scrubs to try getting the PP going.
Today's game went to a shotout, fans were screaming Collberg before each shooter was announced, but despite 7 missed attempts in a row he refused to give him a go at it. Pathetic is what it is.
This is beyond frustrating to read.
However, thank you for sharing, good sir. I'm glad to know Frölunda's fans also want to see Collberg play.
Wow! So many pages about a prospect drafted in the second round of a renowned shallow draft. I like the pick, but if Collberg was so good he would have be picked a lot earlier and he would play good minutes in the SEL. We should never have our hope that high for any prospect.
Collberg is playing tonight with the junior team. Please Montreal, draft his younger brother. He has the capacity of being a real beast on the D.
What draft year is he? We also need Mads Eller.
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Wow! So many pages about a prospect drafted in the second round of a renowned shallow draft. I like the pick, but if Collberg was so good he would have be picked a lot earlier and he would play good minutes in the SEL. We should never have our hope that high for any prospect.
The draft was shallow on elite talent, not talent.
Collberg is playing tonight with the junior team. Please Montreal, draft his younger brother. He has the capacity of being a real beast on the D.
So by junior league, you are talking about the under 20 league? The league he dominated in 2010-11 to the tune of 35 GP and 21-23-44?
And is his brother is Ludvig Collberg, right? 1997 born? Still 3 years away from being NHL draft eligible.
And a good chunk of the discussion in this thread could have been in the NCAA/Euro prospect update thread since it's been talk about his season/dead end situation in Frolunda. It's not like we are still discussing the merits of picking him at the draft.
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My dear friends, i'm talking about his younger brother Ludvig Collberg. Born 1997. Long way to go still, but he's possessing a great deal of talent. In my opinion, a lot more than Sebastian, who indeed is already a good player.
Yeah, i'm talking about the j20 team. Correct, sir.
Wow! So many pages about a prospect drafted in the second round of a renowned shallow draft. I like the pick, but if Collberg was so good he would have be picked a lot earlier and he would play good minutes in the SEL. We should never have our hope that high for any prospect.
Hope the lock-out won't be too long...
If shea weber was so good, he'd have been drafted earlier!
Ok. He still has been draft in second round, tho. What makes him a better prospect than Kristo, then?
Anyway, I like the pick like I said. It's just that habs' fans' hopes are out of proportion, me think.
Collberg's size caused him to fall. We'll see just how well Mitch Moroz does in comparison. Collberg was ranked pretty much across the board from the early to late 'teens of the first round.
What makes him a better prospect than Kristo, then?
Hands and especially hockey IQ.
Collberg isn't the second coming of Mats Naslund but he's potentially the kind of dynamic scorer this team needs, and he plays hard.
Scorers fell in this draft...Forsberg, Teravainen and Grigorenko all had top 10 talent but everyone went with defenders in this draft. The wingers drafted ahead of Collberg for their offensive upside and not size/toughness were Yakupov, Forsberg and Tervavainen (if he counts), and three players in discussion for the top 5.
Collberg played with the J20 team today. Was disappointed since he played a rather poor game, fumbled the puck and was out of position a lot. Shot a bomb of a shot in the crossbar on a breakaway, but other than that nada. Just hope it was rustiness from not having played in a while.
Frölunda play Modo in the SEL tomorrow, expect Collberg to be 13th forward.
Basically Frölunda have a very good junior program, and a new management (many changes were made one year ago) who says to the media that we need juniors on the senior squad and that the organisations bleeds economically so we need to rely on our own players and not signing foreigners and star players like the team has done for quite some time. All this while our current GM and Head coach (yes he holds both positions...) Kenta Johansson refuses to play juniors and goes and signs big name players this summer. All this while the team can not produce, and has a lousy PP, but instead of giving Collberg a shot he sends out more established glorified scrubs to try getting the PP going.
Today's game went to a shotout, fans were screaming Collberg before each shooter was announced, but despite 7 missed attempts in a row he refused to give him a go at it. Pathetic is what it is.
Interesting. I relied on Frölunda's reputation that they've had for a while of being a good org. It will be interesting where he goes after the season ends.
What would be the point of that? Just to make a few die-hard fans happy? Most fans don't really give that much importance to how the prospects do in their development. They cheer for the team on the ice and that's it.
So a sport that is not going to have any games for fans to enjoy, shouldn't do stuff to make their fans happy?
Collberg's size caused him to fall. We'll see just how well Mitch Moroz does in comparison. Collberg was ranked pretty much across the board from the early to late 'teens of the first round.
I always have a problem with this often used comment. He was ranked that way by reporters and scouting agencies, but obviously not by many teams, which is the only relevent element.
Lets see. I like the Collberg's pick and I sincerly hope for a "Naslund-Lethinen-top6etc-type-of-future", but I wouldn't be shocked if he turns out into another Anti Nieminen-type.
Puck will drop in about three hours in tonights game between Frölunda and M. Näslunds team MoDo. Expecting Collberg to be the 13th, dressed forward on the bench.
Puck will drop in about three hours in tonights game between Frölunda and M. Näslunds team MoDo. Expecting Collberg to be the 13th, dressed forward on the bench.
Quite frustrating. Ppl might think that learning to earn his spot( particularly in Swede)and playing lots of games with the juniors is good but being the 13th forward, and not playing, is a pretty bad situation in my eyes. Hockey is really hard mentally. Having the coach's confidence plays a huge part in the development. Collberg is a crafty smallish player. Remove the confidence and take the creativity out of his game (playing 13th forward/4th line shifts) and we've got a bust. Playing this way will gradually do this to him and he might never recover. I can't remember a player all about skills developing well on the fourth line, any leagues. That's my opinion folks.
