I'm not too worried about this. Pavs loves it here and he has a close relationship with Chevy. IMO, this "offer" is either in case there's a lockout (hence the one year term) or is going to be used as leverage to get a better deal when he re-signs.
If this happens, we trade for Schneider, trade Pavelec's rights to another NHL team or something for more.
Schneider would be a natural fit with the Jets given his history with the city, but what is Winnipeg offering the Canucks in that situation? Gillis is unlikely to move Schneider without getting a very solid return.
Schneider would be a natural fit with the Jets given his history with the city, but what is Winnipeg offering the Canucks in that situation? Gillis is unlikely to move Schneider without getting a very solid return.
Do you think the Canucks would part with Schneider? I thought it was Luongo who was on his way out
Do you think the Canucks would part with Schneider? I thought it was Luongo who was on his way out
Tough to say. If Gillis can't get an offer for Roberto he is happy with, I would think he would explore options with regards to moving Schneider. Luongo is still an excellent goaltender and if all he can bring back in return is scraps and Schneider could return a solid piece or two, I think Gillis has to do what's best for the team overall and look into moving Cory. The Canucks still have a good, young goaltender in Eddie Lack that is expected to make his NHL debut in the near future, so it's not as if the Canucks are throwing their goaltending future away if they were to move Cory.
Tough to say. If Gillis can't get an offer for Roberto he is happy with, I would think he would explore options with regards to moving Schneider. Luongo is still an excellent goaltender and if all he can bring back in return is scraps and Schneider could return a solid piece or two, I think Gillis has to do what's best for the team overall and look into moving Cory. The Canucks still have a good, young goaltender in Eddie Lack that is expected to make his NHL debut in the near future, so it's not as if the Canucks are throwing their goaltending future away if they were to move Cory.
Interesting did not know that. I know you guys would be more interested in Kane or Bogosian but I can't see the jets trading them away for Schneider. Any interest in Enstrom? I would rather see the Jets roll the dice with Pasquale then trade away young assets. Without Pavelec I think we're a lottery team that's for sure
Interesting did not know that. I know you guys would be more interested in Kane or Bogosian but I can't see the jets trading them away for Schneider. Any interest in Enstrom? I would rather see the Jets roll the dice with Pasquale then trade away young assets. Without Pavelec I think we're a lottery team that's for sure
I like Enstrom, reminds me a bit of a young Kimmo Timonen, but given his impending UFA status I really doubt he's a piece Gillis would move Schneider for. Kane, Bogosian and maybe the 9th overall pick are the assets Gillis would likely be looking at. Not saying he'd expect either Kane/Bogosian straight up, but I doubt he'd move him for lesser parts.
And if Schneider only signs a one year contract you'd have a point. Likelihood is though he'd be signing a multi-year deal with whatever team he ends up with.
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And if Schneider only signs a one year contract you'd have a point. Likelihood is though he'd be signing a multi-year deal with whatever team he ends up with.
Can't Enstrom sign a multi-year deal too?
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Sure, but I wouldn't move Schneider without knowing he was signed. Considering Schneider has a history with Winnipeg and just wants to be given a chance to start anywhere, I'd say it's more likely Schneider would sign a multi-year contract than it is that Enstrom would re-sign as soon as he was dealt.
Sure, but I wouldn't move Schneider without knowing he was signed. Considering Schneider has a history with Winnipeg and just wants to be given a chance to start anywhere, I'd say it's more likely Schneider would sign a multi-year contract than it is that Enstrom would re-sign as soon as he was dealt.
Okay... That is your opinion. I could just as easily say that I think it's more likely that Enstrom signs an extension with a new team. Fact is that Pavs isn't going anywhere so it's a moot point.
Okay... That is your opinion. I could just as easily say that I think it's more likely that Enstrom signs an extension with a new team.
And you could. Doesn't change the fact that I wouldn't deal Schneider for Enstrom unless he agreed to an extension. I don't see what's the issue with that.
All we know so far is that Pavelec might have a 1 year offer to play in the KHL. Why would we believe at this point that it is any more than a backup plan in case there is a lockout?
So if there is a lockout and Pavs goes to the KHL, why are we mortgaging the future for Schneider (or any other goalie), WHEN THERE IS NO HOCKEY??
All we know so far is that Pavelec might have a 1 year offer to play in the KHL. Why would we believe at this point that it is any more than a backup plan in case there is a lockout?
So if there is a lockout and Pavs goes to the KHL, why are we mortgaging the future for Schneider (or any other goalie), WHEN THERE IS NO HOCKEY??
Agree with you Huf. Could also be a bit of posturing to get a $$$ contract/offer from the Jets as well.
As for Schneids...I think Van will be trying to exhaust all options on moving Lou before they seriously entertain an offer for Schneider.
The reality is that Pavelec staying or going does not make or break this team. He's a good goalie with potential right now. He could be easily replaced by a UFA goalie at a .906 save percentage. Any combination of Mason, Ellis, Biron, Clemmensen, Sanford would provide good enough goaltending to make the Jets a playoff contender like the Panthers with Theodore and Clemmensen in 11-12. Pavelec's current value is almost entirely vested in potential, which is risky when you are thinking long-term deal with a goalie. I don't think the Jets should feel any pressure to move on Pavelec more than they are ready to. Eg. If the Jets are currently looking at a 4 year, 16 million type deal for Pavelec, I wouldn't budge off of that because of this type of threat.
Canucks fans on the trade board are already salivating over the idea of Kane or Bogosian for Schneider
Of course they are. Schneider can be had for a couple of draft picks. Right now the Caucks have 15 million left in Cap space and must re-sign or replace Raymond, Weise, Pahlsson, Bitz, Ebbett, Gagnani, Salo, Rome, and Schneider. Luongo is under contract until 2022. He's earning 6.7 million until 2018, so he's not going to retire before then (3.4 in 2019, 1.6 in 2020, 1 in 2021 and 2022).
Offer Schneider even $5 million and suddenly the Canucks are on the hook for 11.7 (10.5 in cap hit) million in goaltenders, one they almost certainly cannot trade. Do they bury him in the AHL, paying him his full one-way salary? The Canucks can match it, meaning they cannot trade Schneider for this year, have to try and do something with Luongo, or accept the draft pick compensation. If it's less than 6.3 million average salary, all it costs is a first, second, and third round pick. Not a bad price for an elite goaltender, especially considering he would help to make those picks much later, and there's no telling how the picks will pan out.
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