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07-07-2012, 04:10 PM
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Darcy Regier?

Should the Buffalo Sabres Fire Darcy Regier based on is unwillingness to move some of his young prospects to improve the hockey team.

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Should the Buffalo Sabres Fire Darcy Regier based on is unwillingness to move some of his young prospects to improve the hockey team.
No.

This team isn't close enough to a Cup to justify sacrificing the future yet.

There are plenty of reasons to say that Regier should get the axe. An unwillingness to not part with prospects is NOT one of them.

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No. IMO there is no justification for selling off the youth at this point. We're not close enough.

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Yes, I can just see Pegula busting into the office and yelling, "You haven't traded away Myers and Ennis yet? You're fired!"


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Should the Buffalo Sabres Fire Darcy Regier based on is unwillingness to move some of his young prospects to improve the hockey team.
First you'd have to establish if doing so would actually improve the hockey team in the long run.

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We don't know what deals are out there...it's possible that the price for players is too high, and that's why he's holding on to the prospects. If the cost for Nash was Armia, Pysyk, Ennis, and a 1st...would you do it? Of course not. That's not an unwillingness to move prospects, that's an unwillingness to be stupid.

Unless we know what deals are out there (which we don't, and likely never will in many cases), we cannot pass judgment on Regier's unwillingness to move prospects. And hey...his DID just move one of if not Buffalo's top prospect in Kassian...

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Absolutely not. Those young players are going to be what brings us into contention. I mean, look at the group we have that's 18-25: Ennis, Hodgson, Myers, Sekera, Foligno, Grigorenko, Armia, Girgensons, Tropp, Kaleta, Enroth, McNabb, Pysyk, McCabe, JGL... It's a group with a much better mix of size, skill, speed, and physicality than our older group. Add in vets that will likely be around like Ehrhoff? I think that's a group to build a contender around. Once we see more of these guys in the NHL regularly and see how they pan out, then I think is the time to look at where there are still holes and move whatever our spare parts are then to round out the roster.

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Are you serious.....?

In 2009 Theo Epstein (Then of the Boston Red Sox) traded away 24 year old Justin Masterson, a prized prospect/young star for veteran catcher Victor Martinez. Now, Victor Martinez was a great player. He had a season and a half of great play for the Red Sox. But did the Red Sox ever win a championship with him? No. In fact, the Red Sox were swept in the first round in 2009, and missed the playoffs entirely in 2010.

Meanwhile, Justin Masterson has gone on to be a very good pitcher for the Indians. The Red Sox continue to struggle, with a large part of their struggles due to the fact that their cupboard of Major League ready prospects is bare, and their pitching is bad.

The moral of the story is, sometimes it's better to just let your young guys progress with YOUR team.

Darcy Regier should be praised for drafting so many prized prospects.

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Are you serious.....?

In 2009 Theo Epstein (Then of the Boston Red Sox) traded away 24 year old Justin Masterson, a prized prospect/young star for veteran catcher Victor Martinez. Now, Victor Martinez was a great player. He had a season and a half of great play for the Red Sox. But did the Red Sox ever win a championship with him? No. In fact, the Red Sox were swept in the first round in 2009, and missed the playoffs entirely in 2010.

Meanwhile, Justin Masterson has gone on to be a very good pitcher for the Indians. The Red Sox continue to struggle, with a large part of their struggles due to the fact that their cupboard of Major League ready prospects is bare, and their pitching is bad.

The moral of the story is, sometimes it's better to just let your young guys progress with YOUR team.

Darcy Regier should be praised for drafting so many prized prospects.
Masterson isn't having that great of a year.....

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07-07-2012, 05:19 PM
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In the Salary Cap era, talented players on their entry level contracts (and even 2nd contracts) are worth far more than they ever have been. I would never trade multiple top tier prospects for Rick Nash.

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07-07-2012, 05:22 PM
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I like the response I got. I really believe that is time to move some of are older players, anybody opposed to moving Pominville, that could Darcy use him as part of a package to acquire Bobby Ryan.

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Young guns? Nope, keep em and let them become the new core. Over 25, trade em. Get their looser mentality off the team

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In the Salary Cap era, talented players on their entry level contracts (and even 2nd contracts) are worth far more than they ever have been. I would never trade multiple top tier prospects for Rick Nash.
Nevermind... so misread that.

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In the Salary Cap era, talented players on their entry level contracts (and even 2nd contracts) are worth far more than they ever have been. I would never trade multiple top tier prospects for Rick Nash.
To be fair with the cap increasing at its current pace, cap hits will shortly cease to be important.

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I like the response I got. I really believe that is time to move some of are older players, anybody opposed to moving Pominville, that could Darcy use him as part of a package to acquire Bobby Ryan.
Wait.

First you want to fire Darcy for not trading away our young players.


Now you want to trade Pominville for Ryan?


Make up your mind.

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Should the Buffalo Sabres Fire Darcy Regier based on is unwillingness to move some of his young prospects to improve the hockey team.
YES! Why build a team properly when we can sell te farm for a first round exit!

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I like the response I got. I really believe that is time to move some of are older players, anybody opposed to moving Pominville, that could Darcy use him as part of a package to acquire Bobby Ryan.
Pominville isn't that old. And he's the captain. And he's one of the few consistent vets we have on the team. And frankly he's not that far behind Ryan stats wise. I don't get it.

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Masterson isn't having that great of a year.....
Last year he was great. This year he's been up and down, with odd stretches of great pitching and then stretches of getting tossed around.

It was a mistake for the Red Sox to trade him.

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So you'd bankrupt the future to get 1 guy? The general thought by almost everyone is that the cost to get him would be way too high.
I think you misread that

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Wait.

First you want to fire Darcy for not trading away our young players.


Now you want to trade Pominville for Ryan?


Make up your mind.
OP never took a stance in the original post. He simply asked a question. He didn't say he wanted Darcy to be fired.

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No.

This team isn't close enough to a Cup to justify sacrificing the future yet.

There are plenty of reasons to say that Regier should get the axe. An unwillingness to not part with prospects is NOT one of them.
Im sure the Kings fans said this exact thing last off season before the Richards deal.

Maybe we should just wait until Miller, Vanek, Pominville, and Regehrs deals are up, then go for it.

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Logically it makes no sense.

Does anyone here think the Sabres are one player away from realistically winning the cup that could justify the lost of so many future assets? Regier has to realize that this team could be yearly contenders in 2-3 years and trade that away to be a better team right now is foolish

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Im sure the Kings fans said this exact thing last off season before the Richards deal.
Quite the opposite.

The Kings were in a position in which making a move like that made sense. It's why they were considered cup favorites entering the season.

Buffalo can add a player like Ryan/Stastny and it likely doesn't push them too much further to a cup right now.

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