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03-20-2013, 09:42 PM
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another solid option
how is taking a one way defenceman with a 7th overall pick a solid option? it's actually terrible in my books.

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how is taking a one way defenceman with a 7th overall pick a solid option? it's actually terrible in my books.
Zadorov is the total package. 6-5 230 and an excellent skater. His offensive game isn't there yet but you can see the untapped potential. He is going to be a physical top pairing defenseman. Biggest knock is that he needs at least two years of development before seeing the NHL.

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Assuming we have the 7th pick and the draft goes as follows, who do you take?

MacKinnon
Jones
Drouin
Barkov
Lindholm
Monahan
?????????
Zadarov
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03-21-2013, 05:23 AM
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Assuming we have the 7th pick and the draft goes as follows, who do you take?

MacKinnon
Jones
Drouin
Barkov
Lindholm
Monahan
?????????
Probably a toss up between Nurse, Pulock, and Ristolainen, depending on what you want.

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Nichushkin
Seriously, why?

Kuznetsov and Tarasenko had less question marks about their on-ice game and fell further than 7th, so why would Nichushkin go there?

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Zadorov is the total package. 6-5 230 and an excellent skater. His offensive game isn't there yet but you can see the untapped potential. He is going to be a physical top pairing defenseman. Biggest knock is that he needs at least two years of development before seeing the NHL.
While the common mantra early was "untapped offensive potential", I've seen reports that the flashes slowed during the second half.
The same was said of Mδδttδ last season, then he went on his PPG playoff run and fans went crazy, but in the end he was selected just about where a defensive defenseman with heavy feet should go.

Zadorov will probably end up going higher than Mδδttδ did, but I don't think I'd want him in the top ten.

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03-21-2013, 10:03 AM
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how is taking a one way defenceman with a 7th overall pick a solid option? it's actually terrible in my books.
More on the basis that our prospects are not really defensive, ya he has flaws and I prefer both Nurse and Ristolainen over him but I would not be super angry if we picked him. I can see Zads going top 10.

As for JFB, IF Nich develops rights, he can have an incredible package of size and skill. Granted I definitely like you see him sliding.

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03-21-2013, 10:33 AM
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If we end up in 7th...another option is to trade down and grab more picks. Especially since it's very possible that whomever we want might still be available a few picks down.

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so it's looking like Barkov, Drouin, Jones and MacKinnon are out of our reach unless we somehow win the lottery.

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03-25-2013, 09:11 AM
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so it's looking like Barkov, Drouin, Jones and MacKinnon are out of our reach unless we somehow win the lottery.
I'm hoping that teams forget about Monahan because he played on the worst team in the OHL and thus won't be in the playoffs and because he's too old to play in the U18's.
Out of sight, out of mind.

Also, I really want a 1st from a playoff team after watching Bo Horvat yesterday.
He's incredibly smart everywhere on the rink and just made things happen when he was out there.
He had two goals, both of which showed off his great OZ sense (one was a deft tip after he found quiet ice and the other was to tie the game with 0.3 seconds left in which he showed zero panic), backchecked hard as always (pretty much every dangerous looking rush Saginaw had while he was on the ice ended after he blocked a shot or stripped a puck), and was counted on to take key faceoffs and delivered.
I already knew what he was about, but he was just ridiculous.

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I'm hoping that teams forget about Monahan because he played on the worst team in the OHL and thus won't be in the playoffs and because he's too old to play in the U18's.
Out of sight, out of mind.

Also, I really want a 1st from a playoff team after watching Bo Horvat yesterday.
He's incredibly smart everywhere on the rink and just made things happen when he was out there.
He had two goals, both of which showed off his great OZ sense (one was a deft tip after he found quiet ice and the other was to tie the game with 0.3 seconds left in which he showed zero panic), backchecked hard as always (pretty much every dangerous looking rush Saginaw had while he was on the ice ended after he blocked a shot or stripped a puck), and was counted on to take key faceoffs and delivered.
I already knew what he was about, but he was just ridiculous.
I remember watching him in last years playoffs against Niagara, Domi got all the hype but you could just tell that Horvat had the better pro potential of the two. What position was Horvat playing? seems like he plays everywhere and with everyone.

I would be quite happy drafting any forward out of London, those Hunters sure teach their players 2 way hockey and everyone buys into defence first.

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Bo does it all, can play LW or Center. He would be a great mid round pick 15-20 range. Supposedly has a really good attitude to, hard worker.

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03-25-2013, 11:43 AM
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I remember watching him in last years playoffs against Niagara, Domi got all the hype but you could just tell that Horvat had the better pro potential of the two. What position was Horvat playing? seems like he plays everywhere and with everyone.

I would be quite happy drafting any forward out of London, those Hunters sure teach their players 2 way hockey and everyone buys into defence first.
He was playing center and was used in every situation by Dale Hunter, which I think says a lot when you consider his age and the strength of the Knights as a team.
It was shades of Jay Beagle's usage by Hunter last year during the playoffs, but Horvat is much more useful.

I like Domi too, but he's more of a risk (although he seems to have everything it takes to make it) and I don't bother pitching him because of his size.
I think a team could fall in love with him though because even though everyone hates Marchand, he's a unique player in the NHL and every team would kill to have their own.

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Here is round 1 as shown on TheHockeyWriters.com. The site contains stats and four month trending as well as profiles/interviews/highlights should you wish to check it out.

Round 1
• 1. D – Seth Jones, Portland
• 2. LW – Jonathan Drouin, Halifax
• 3. C – Nathan MacKinnon, Halifax
• 4. C – Aleksander Barkov, Tappara – SM-liiga
• 5. C – Elias Lindholm, Brynas - Elitserien
• 6. C – Sean Monahan, Ottawa
• 7. D – Darnell Nurse, Sault. Ste. Marie
• 8. C/W – Valeri Nishushkin, Chelyabinsk - KHL
• 9. D – Rasmus Ristolainen, TPS – SM-liiga
• 10. D – Nikita Zadorov, London
• 11. LW – Hunter Shinkaruk, Medicine Hat
• 12. C – Tie Domi, London
• 13. D – Ryan Pulock, Brandon
• 14. C – Alexander Wennburg, Djurgarden - Allsvenskan
• 15. RW – Adam Erne, Quebec
• 16. C – Frederik Gauthier, Rimouski
• 17. RW – Valentin Zykov, Baie-Comeau
• 18. RW – Anthony Mantha, Val d’Or
• 19. LW/C – Bo Horvat, London
• 20. C/RW – Curtis Lazar, Edmonton
• 21. D – Josh Morrissey, Prince Albert
• 22. LW – Kerby Rychel, Windsor
• 23. LW – Artturi Lehkonen, KalPa – SM-liiga
• 24. LW – Andre Burakovsky, Malmo – Allsvenskan
• 25. D - Ian McCoshen, Waterloo
• 26. C/LW – Jacob de la Rose, Leksand - Elitserien
• 27. RW – Ryan Hartman, Plymouth
• 28. C – JT Compher, USA NDP U18
• 29. D – Robert Haag, MODO - Elitserien
• 30. C/RW – Justin Bailey, Kitchener

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03-26-2013, 10:15 PM
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Here is round 1 as shown on TheHockeyWriters.com. The site contains stats and four month trending as well as profiles/interviews/highlights should you wish to check it out.

Round 1
• 1. D – Seth Jones, Portland
• 2. LW – Jonathan Drouin, Halifax
• 3. C – Nathan MacKinnon, Halifax
• 4. C – Aleksander Barkov, Tappara – SM-liiga
• 5. C – Elias Lindholm, Brynas - Elitserien
• 6. C – Sean Monahan, Ottawa
• 7. D – Darnell Nurse, Sault. Ste. Marie
• 8. C/W – Valeri Nishushkin, Chelyabinsk - KHL
• 9. D – Rasmus Ristolainen, TPS – SM-liiga
• 10. D – Nikita Zadorov, London
• 11. LW – Hunter Shinkaruk, Medicine Hat
• 12. C – Tie Domi, London
• 13. D – Ryan Pulock, Brandon
• 14. C – Alexander Wennburg, Djurgarden - Allsvenskan
• 15. RW – Adam Erne, Quebec
• 16. C – Frederik Gauthier, Rimouski
• 17. RW – Valentin Zykov, Baie-Comeau
• 18. RW – Anthony Mantha, Val d’Or
• 19. LW/C – Bo Horvat, London
• 20. C/RW – Curtis Lazar, Edmonton
• 21. D – Josh Morrissey, Prince Albert
• 22. LW – Kerby Rychel, Windsor
• 23. LW – Artturi Lehkonen, KalPa – SM-liiga
• 24. LW – Andre Burakovsky, Malmo – Allsvenskan
• 25. D - Ian McCoshen, Waterloo
• 26. C/LW – Jacob de la Rose, Leksand - Elitserien
• 27. RW – Ryan Hartman, Plymouth
• 28. C – JT Compher, USA NDP U18
• 29. D – Robert Haag, MODO - Elitserien
• 30. C/RW – Justin Bailey, Kitchener
Isn't he a little old to be in this year's draft?

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03-26-2013, 10:20 PM
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Isn't he a little old to be in this year's draft?
Yea isn't it Max Domi?

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Here is round 1 as shown on TheHockeyWriters.com. The site contains stats and four month trending as well as profiles/interviews/highlights should you wish to check it out.

Round 1
• 1. D – Seth Jones, Portland
• 2. LW – Jonathan Drouin, Halifax
• 3. C – Nathan MacKinnon, Halifax
• 4. C – Aleksander Barkov, Tappara – SM-liiga
• 5. C – Elias Lindholm, Brynas - Elitserien
• 6. C – Sean Monahan, Ottawa
• 7. D – Darnell Nurse, Sault. Ste. Marie
• 8. C/W – Valeri Nishushkin, Chelyabinsk - KHL
• 9. D – Rasmus Ristolainen, TPS – SM-liiga
• 10. D – Nikita Zadorov, London
• 11. LW – Hunter Shinkaruk, Medicine Hat
• 12. C – Tie Domi, London
• 13. D – Ryan Pulock, Brandon
• 14. C – Alexander Wennburg, Djurgarden - Allsvenskan
• 15. RW – Adam Erne, Quebec
• 16. C – Frederik Gauthier, Rimouski
• 17. RW – Valentin Zykov, Baie-Comeau
• 18. RW – Anthony Mantha, Val d’Or
• 19. LW/C – Bo Horvat, London
• 20. C/RW – Curtis Lazar, Edmonton
• 21. D – Josh Morrissey, Prince Albert
• 22. LW – Kerby Rychel, Windsor
• 23. LW – Artturi Lehkonen, KalPa – SM-liiga
• 24. LW – Andre Burakovsky, Malmo – Allsvenskan
• 25. D - Ian McCoshen, Waterloo
• 26. C/LW – Jacob de la Rose, Leksand - Elitserien
• 27. RW – Ryan Hartman, Plymouth
• 28. C – JT Compher, USA NDP U18
• 29. D – Robert Haag, MODO - Elitserien
• 30. C/RW – Justin Bailey, Kitchener
25, 26, 30 are all a little too early I believe. But for the most part, looks pretty good

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25, 26, 30 are all a little too early I believe. But for the most part, looks pretty good
McCoshen at 25 is not too early at all..
Bailey is an Etem type athletic project, so someone may take him there, although I expect him to be taken in the 2nd.

I agree with de la Rose being too high though and would add JT Compher to that list too.
Thinking back to the halcyon days when both of those guys were included in the top ten on some lists makes me laugh.

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McCoshen at 25 is not too early at all..
Bailey is an Etem type athletic project, so someone may take him there, although I expect him to be taken in the 2nd.

I agree with de la Rose being too high though and would add JT Compher to that list too.
Thinking back to the halcyon days when both of those guys were included in the top ten on some lists makes me laugh.
I'm thinking McCoshen will more likely go in the 30-35 range. NOt saying it's super off, just a bit.

Bailey, like you said, I see as a project, and will more likely be a mid 2nd Rounder

De La Rose and Compher I've seen in the 25-40 range, more towards the later end of that though.

I would add, Furcale, Mueller, and Klimchuk. to the list, but really, past a certain point, it's all subjective.

There's different tiers of prospect this year and I could see movement in them
1-3
4-8
9-16
17-24
25-40
41-60

Basically how I see it the prospect groupings in the first 2 rounds. A player could be 40th, but could go 25th seeing as there's a plethora of quality players that are grouped together.

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I'm thinking McCoshen will more likely go in the 30-35 range. NOt saying it's super off, just a bit.
If a team gets McCoshen in the second round, it's a steal in my books.
I really like him and would probably take him over guys like Morrissey and Zadorov if I was looking for defense.

Of course, I could see it happening because he plays in the USHL and isn't part of the NTDP, which means he'll probably be penalized come draft day.

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Barkov likely to miss the remainder of the season with a shoulder injury.

This is very disappointing, as I was looking forward to him potentially playing as a young 17 year old in the World Championships.

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Barkov likely to miss the remainder of the season with a shoulder injury.

This is very disappointing, as I was looking forward to him potentially playing as a young 17 year old in the World Championships.
That's a shame.

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Kivihalme is rich with offensive capabilities as he’s very savvy with the puck .. demonstrates on a nightly basis his ability to create offense with precision passing and possesses great instincts while on the attack .. very clever with the stick as his soft hands aid him in being a good playmaker .. one of the top skating prospects playing Minnesota High School Hockey as he has good top speed and can transition with ease .. His elite agility allows him the luxury of holding on to the puck for that extra second .. has extreme quickness, utilizing it to generate opportunities or maneuver out of trouble .. uses his body well while protecting the puck, showing adequate strength on his slight frame .. gets his shot off very quick and on net .. not a physical player but does a sufficient job along the boards thanks to a relentless determination. His defensive aptitude is a work in progress as there are holes in this area .. has trouble defending odd man rushes from time-to-time, using questionable judgments on the oppositions inclinations, although there have been minor improvements in this area .. inconsistent in his gap control, sometimes allowing the puck-carrier too much time and space operate .. a bit raw right now, but with continued experience, he could prove to be a good bargain in the late rounds of the draft.

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That's a shame.
Not if it lets him slide to us at thirteen!!!

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Not if it lets him slide to us at thirteen!!!
Quick, someone spread a rumor that he's secretly a 21 year old russian!

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Quick, someone spread a rumor that he's secretly a 21 year old russian!
Halfway there: He actually is Russian ethnically (not hard to guess w/ that name) and holds dual Finnish/Russian citizenship. His dad's a former Russian pro player who finished his career in Finland, not sure about his mom.

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