Damien Cox via twitter: To get Jordan Staal the Maple Leafs would have had to give up a good roster forward, the #5 pick and their best non-NHL defenseman prospect. They don’t have the depth yet to do that.
Cox thinks we don't have enough depth to pull off a trade for a J.Staal, Ryan, Getzlaf, Nash, etc. I know it's just his opinion, and alot of people on here do not like or respect his opinions, but he does make a good point that other GMs may feel the Leafs just do not have the quality players/prospects needed to make a blockbuster deal, and the few we do have (Gardiner, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri) we can't afford to part with.
So what does everyone think? Is Cox talking out of his *** again or does he make a valid point? If his comments are true, we could be looking at another 2 or 3 years with a lottery pick.
He's right. We don't have enough depth to make a trade to secure a top player. But look at Carolina, they gave up a very very very good forward and a high pick along wiht a good prospect, their fans aren't terribly happy over what they gave up. Toronto could have made that trade but Burke would be burnt in effigy.
Damien Cox via twitter: To get Jordan Staal the Maple Leafs would have had to give up a good roster forward, the #5 pick and their best non-NHL defenseman prospect. They don’t have the depth yet to do that.
Cox thinks we don't have enough depth to pull off a trade for a J.Staal, Ryan, Getzlaf, Nash, etc. I know it's just his opinion, and alot of people on here do not like or respect his opinions, but he does make a good point that other GMs may feel the Leafs just do not have the quality players/prospects needed to make a blockbuster deal, and the few we do have (Gardiner, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri) we can't afford to part with.
So what does everyone think? Is Cox talking out of his *** again or does he make a valid point? If his comments are true, we could be looking at another 2 or 3 years with a lottery pick.
This is tricky to answer on a few levels
Did the leafs have the depth a few years back to acquire a smallish but extremely talented sniper in Kessel? Probably not and even though they have more depth now, the leafs still probably don't have the depth yet.
The issue for Burke is with that trade for Kessel, Burke committed to an accelerated retool (rather than becoming a contender by drafting and developing talent). But now he appears to indescive as to if he is retooling the team quickly or has come to his senses and realizes that he can't replicate Anaheim and needs to undertake a true "rebuilid".
And for me this whole thing is a bit of a cluster muck. The kessel trade, was fair in that a quality player was gained in exchange for two first and second. But depth wise the leafs should have probably tried to draft and stock their cupboards instead of trading for Kessel. [And no fault or dis respect to kessel who has played and met expectations. This is on Burke who lack and follow through of a strategy is starting to show].
The best package I would offer up for guys like Bobby Ryan, Jordan Staal, or Ryan Getzlaf is any combination of the following:
Clarke MarArthur or Tyler Bozak
Luke Schenn or Carl Gunnarssoon or Cody Franson
Nazem Kadri or Joe Colborne
Some lower end prospect (Greg McKegg, Brad Ross, etc)
I'd give that up for Nash as well, but Columbus would have to take back a contract like Lombardi or Armstrong.
Damien Cox via twitter: To get Jordan Staal the Maple Leafs would have had to give up a good roster forward, the #5 pick and their best non-NHL defenseman prospect. They don’t have the depth yet to do that.
Cox thinks we don't have enough depth to pull off a trade for a J.Staal, Ryan, Getzlaf, Nash, etc. I know it's just his opinion, and alot of people on here do not like or respect his opinions, but he does make a good point that other GMs may feel the Leafs just do not have the quality players/prospects needed to make a blockbuster deal, and the few we do have (Gardiner, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri) we can't afford to part with.
So what does everyone think? Is Cox talking out of his *** again or does he make a valid point? If his comments are true, we could be looking at another 2 or 3 years with a lottery pick.
He's right. We don't have the highend assets (although in a year or two we should have it). There isn't much assets on the current roster that's desirable and the one's we don't want to move (Kessel, Gardiner). Until guys like ross, d'amigo suit up and become good players in their roles, we just have to live with it.
So what does everyone think? Is Cox talking out of his *** again or does he make a valid point? If his comments are true, we could be looking at another 2 or 3 years with a lottery pick.
He's not talking out of his ass. He's right. He usually is, TML fans just have a hard time with the literal truth sometimes. He doesn't sugarcoat, and for a fanbase who's been tormented as much as we have, I can understand how people have averse reactions to his brutal honesty.
However, I think you're wrong to correlate poor organizational depth with how a team finishes in a given year. You can ice a solid team without having anything coming up in the pipes.
The leafs are slowly getting there though. BB's one accomplishment at this point is improvement in the cupboard. Its a half-decade process to get organizational depth up to snuff.
Damien Cox via twitter: To get Jordan Staal the Maple Leafs would have had to give up a good roster forward, the #5 pick and their best non-NHL defenseman prospect. They don’t have the depth yet to do that.
Cox thinks we don't have enough depth to pull off a trade for a J.Staal, Ryan, Getzlaf, Nash, etc. I know it's just his opinion, and alot of people on here do not like or respect his opinions, but he does make a good point that other GMs may feel the Leafs just do not have the quality players/prospects needed to make a blockbuster deal, and the few we do have (Gardiner, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri) we can't afford to part with.
So what does everyone think? Is Cox talking out of his *** again or does he make a valid point? If his comments are true, we could be looking at another 2 or 3 years with a lottery pick.
Toronto needed to offer better than what Carolina did, think about that for a second.
we really dont have the assets ........we lost out when burke couldnt sign nash as an UFA .....getting connolly and resigning liles ,wouldve equalled nash and jvr...your prospects can be sugar coated all u want ,gardiner is the best we have to offer ,but hes also a top 4 d man on the leafs .....i think its gonna be up to carlyle to get this team in the platoffs because i cant see the cap room nor assets to make a real big splash
we really dont have the assets ........we lost out when burke couldnt sign nash as an UFA .....getting connolly and resigning liles ,wouldve equalled nash and jvr...your prospects can be sugar coated all u want ,gardiner is the best we have to offer ,but hes also a top 4 d man on the leafs .....i think its gonna be up to carlyle to get this team in the platoffs because i cant see the cap room nor assets to make a real big splash
You would advocate a bigger contract for Nash than his current one?
Disagree with him. It likely would have cost us the 5th, someone like Kulemin and a prospect like Blacker. We have that, we can afford to give that as long as we knew he was going to re-sign with us. We didn't know that, Carolina does.
You would advocate a bigger contract for Nash than his current one?
hed be our best forward .....u think kessel is gonna resingn for under 6-6.5 mill?id take nash over kessel any day of the week .now to get nash we gotta give up gardiner ,plus plus .......thats what im advocating ....but fair question
hed be our best forward .....u think kessel is gonna resingn for under 6-6.5 mill?id take nash over kessel any day of the week .now to get nash we gotta give up gardiner ,plus plus .......thats what im advocating ....but fair question
You would have had to have paid him $8 M+ for 8 years. I know he's been on a bad team but he's been a 70 point player once in his career.
Agreed. Wonder if the Blue Jackets would take Kessel straight up. Nash is the better player but his contract reduces his overall value. Even trade IMO.
Nash fits the Carlye/Burke vision, Kessel doesn't.
Damien Cox via twitter: To get Jordan Staal the Maple Leafs would have had to give up a good roster forward, the #5 pick and their best non-NHL defenseman prospect. They don’t have the depth yet to do that.
Cox thinks we don't have enough depth to pull off a trade for a J.Staal, Ryan, Getzlaf, Nash, etc. I know it's just his opinion, and alot of people on here do not like or respect his opinions, but he does make a good point that other GMs may feel the Leafs just do not have the quality players/prospects needed to make a blockbuster deal, and the few we do have (Gardiner, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri) we can't afford to part with.
So what does everyone think? Is Cox talking out of his *** again or does he make a valid point? If his comments are true, we could be looking at another 2 or 3 years with a lottery pick.
Cox is wrong as usual. As Burke said " We didn't have a brother named Staal."
If the leafs gave up a 5th, Kulemin and Blacker/Percy Burke would have done that deal in a heart beat. But Staal wanted Carolina. Thats all there is to it.
If that was enough to get Staal, I'd have done it in a heartbeat.
Sadly, only an idiot would take that trade over Sutter/Dumoulin/Pouliot, mostly because Sutter vs Kulemin is a massacre.
Not a massacre at all, Sutter hasn't shown the same offensive ability . But Rielly over Pouliot is a big difference and Blacker vs Dumoulin, same draft round (2) 2009, probably a sawoff.
