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06-23-2012, 05:03 PM
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@Eklund: Nothing to the JVR to Leafs for Schenn Rumors…at this point.

This should be the last Eklund thing every quoted here. Says it all
That moron also had the Oilers NOT drafting Yukapov last night. He reeks of failure and ineptitude.

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06-23-2012, 05:06 PM
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Wow. And I still say the Leafs are gonna get Luongo too.

Burke is throwing in his chips. He's going for it now. Schenn is overrated. JVR is a steal for the Laughs.

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06-23-2012, 05:12 PM
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Good trade for both teams. Both good, young players who needed a change of scenery. I've always liked Schenn better myself, JVR really hasn't shown much except for an excellent playoff round and a half in the NHL. He's big and talented but hasn't enough to this point.

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06-23-2012, 05:36 PM
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I think Schenn has much more bust-potential than JVR.

JVR's health issues might be worse than anyone knows, because otherwise this seems like Philly sold low.

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06-23-2012, 05:45 PM
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A defensive defenseman does not have that kind of trade value, no matter the age. Horrible trade by Philly, even if defense is a need.

JvR is worth way more than Schenn, too bad for them.
How does this help the Flyers?

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06-23-2012, 06:06 PM
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Pierre McGuire moves to Toronto

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06-23-2012, 06:07 PM
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Schenn is going to be great on the Flyers.

Pretty even trade, but this makes more sense from Philly than Toronto. Who do they have to play D now? Philly needed D and have an abundance of forwards.

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06-23-2012, 06:14 PM
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In a trade of disspointing players, Leafs definitely win. Luke Schenn stinks. He stinks so much that even with a bounce back year on a better team he will still be bad.

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Schenn is going to be great on the Flyers.

Pretty even trade, but this makes more sense from Philly than Toronto. Who do they have to play D now? Philly needed D and have an abundance of forwards.
Phaneuf
Liles
Gunnarson
Gardiner
Franson
Komisarek
Rielly/Blacker/Holzer/Percy

While Leafs fans are high on Holzer, I think the guy to watch is Percy. That kid is going to be good.

I think a big part of the Leafs woes the last few years was defensive coaching and Goal. 1 of those 2 should be better this year. Goal? Huge mystery.

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Good deal for Leafs. So happy the Flyers lost this one. They're one of the big threats in the conference.

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06-23-2012, 06:18 PM
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Phaneuf
Liles
Gunnarson
Gardiner
Franson
Komisarek
Rielly/Blacker/Holzer/Percy


While Leafs fans are high on Holzer, I think the guy to watch is Percy. That kid is going to be good.

I think a big part of the Leafs woes the last few years was defensive coaching and Goal. 1 of those 2 should be better this year. Goal? Huge mystery.
Exactly my point. They don't have much in the way of D. I'm a big fan of Schenn and think he'll flourish in Philly, I just think their D is better with Schenn than without. JvR is a good player too.

I think Philly gets better with this deal and Toronto doesn't.

They need a goalie, bad.

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06-23-2012, 09:06 PM
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This will work out for both teams. But I have a feeling this will lead to a much bigger move for Philly.

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06-23-2012, 09:08 PM
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Toronto wins this by a landslide. A young, 2nd line winger for a #6 defenseman?

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06-23-2012, 09:23 PM
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Staal sent to Carolina to be with Staal.
Schenn sent to Philly to be with Schenn.

Subban...

Subban sent to Montreal to be with Subban.

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06-23-2012, 09:25 PM
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I heard through JVR's UNH teammates he is the laziest dude ever. But if Philly is dumping him and getting nothin else from Burke he probably had an alcohol "incident" if they want him gone that bad and couldn't get anything else. I guess Philly could be doing it to inspire Brayden but I dunno JVR was a 2nd overall pick not sure how you throw him away for Luke Schenn.

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06-23-2012, 09:29 PM
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Toronto wins this by a landslide. A young, 2nd line winger for a #6 defenseman?
Landslide? They both have a lot to prove. Jvr is as much a top 6 forward as Schenn is a top 4 dman.

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I heard through JVR's UNH teammates he is the laziest dude ever. But if Philly is dumping him and getting nothin else from Burke he probably had an alcohol "incident" if they want him gone that bad and couldn't get anything else. I guess Philly could be doing it to inspire Brayden but I dunno JVR was a 2nd overall pick not sure how you throw him away for Luke Schenn.
If we're bringing draft selections into this then Schenn was 5th overall. I just don't get this consensus that the Leafs got a way better end of this deal. Schenn has had lots of struggles but so has JVR. What has Van Riemsdyk ever shown that he's so much better than Schenn? One and a half good playoff series?

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06-23-2012, 09:35 PM
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Landslide? They both have a lot to prove. Jvr is as much a top 6 forward as Schenn is a top 4 dman.
Ok, IMO, if I was a fan of the Leafs I would be ecstatic over this deal. I see absolutely nothing in Schenn. Just another guy. JVR...I see talent, skill, size. Just needs to take it all to the next level.

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06-23-2012, 09:36 PM
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What was the B's piece Bill?
I think it was Krejci for Schenn (and maybe a pick?) and then we flip Schenn for JVR. Seguin goes to center and JVR develops into Horton's eventual replacement.

I thought that TO could use a C much more than another winger.


To be honest, JVR to TO is a little confusing to me. I know Burke loves Americans and big, strong talented kids so that's not confusing, but Kessel had explosive chemsitry with Lupul, they went to the All-Star game together. Toronto's 2nd line of Kumelin-Grabo-Mac also had great chemistry and put up big numbers in '10-11. JVR's an upgrade on those wingers, but why not leave that line (since it's an above avg 2nd line) and use your assets to pry a center from someone?

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If we're bringing draft selections into this then Schenn was 5th overall. I just don't get this consensus that the Leafs got a way better end of this deal. Schenn has had lots of struggles but so has JVR. What has Van Riemsdyk ever shown that he's so much better than Schenn? One and a half good playoff series?
I think the draw with JVR is that it seems to be a maturity thing, which age can help remedy. He's in shape and still has the talent. He's also been banged up in the past which can be part of why he has struggled a tad. It is still a slight gamble, but I think in terms of problems with either player, maturity is easier to fix than poor skating and decision making (Schenn).

I'd call it a win for the Leafs. Not a steal, but a win.

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I hope both teams end up losing this trade.

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Ok, IMO, if I was a fan of the Leafs I would be ecstatic over this deal. I see absolutely nothing in Schenn. Just another guy. JVR...I see talent, skill, size. Just needs to take it all to the next level.
I think in the right situation and with good coaching Schenn can be a top4 guy capable of pulling down 20-25mins a night. He won't get you a ton of points, but he's got size, can hit and can chip in a little bit. I don't think JvR is crap, but I don't think there is much separation between these 2 guys at their positions.

Philly's team got better IMO. They dealt from a position of strength and added a need. I think Schenn will benefit from playing in Philly over Toronto. JvR will do fine in Toronto and will get more minutes, but he's not playing with the same calibre of players anymore.

I don't see this as a clear win for anyone.

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I think in the right situation and with good coaching Schenn can be a top4 guy capable of pulling down 20-25mins a night. He won't get you a ton of points, but he's got size, can hit and can chip in a little bit. I don't think JvR is crap, but I don't think there is much separation between these 2 guys at their positions.

Philly's team got better IMO. They dealt from a position of strength and added a need. I think Schenn will benefit from playing in Philly over Toronto. JvR will do fine in Toronto and will get more minutes, but he's not playing with the same calibre of players anymore.

I don't see this as a clear win for anyone.
Alright then.

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Wouldn't most people agree the ceiling for JVR is higher than Schenn's?

I'm telling you, this doesn't make sense. I get the feeling Philly knows something about JVR no one else does. They sold him when his value was at his lowest.

That is not good business.

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