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06-23-2012, 09:59 PM
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Wouldn't most people agree the ceiling for JVR is higher than Schenn's?

I'm telling you, this doesn't make sense. I get the feeling Philly knows something about JVR no one else does. They sold him when his value was at his lowest.

That is not good business.
Pronger is toast and Carle is looking for 5M. They needed a dman and got one. JvR has 6 years of 4.25M left on his deal and his high in points is 40, goals-21.

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06-23-2012, 10:01 PM
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I heard through JVR's UNH teammates he is the laziest dude ever.
He and Phil can have a contest.

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06-23-2012, 10:02 PM
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He and Phil can have a contest.
That's too much work

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06-23-2012, 10:05 PM
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Ok, IMO, if I was a fan of the Leafs I would be ecstatic over this deal. I see absolutely nothing in Schenn. Just another guy. JVR...I see talent, skill, size. Just needs to take it all to the next level.
Totally agree. I expected a big breakout year from JVR last year and it didn't happen, but I'm not ready to give up on him having star potential or close to it yet.

At the very least, he's shown a lot more to me than Schenn, a defensive defenseman who isn't even very good defensively. I see this as a steal for the Leafs.

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06-23-2012, 10:12 PM
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Good move for both teams IMO.

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06-23-2012, 10:16 PM
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as much as I hate to say it I think Toronto won that deal...

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06-23-2012, 10:32 PM
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Both are a couple of underachievers who simply haven't developed. JVR isn't some kid anymore. He's a 23 year old 3 year pro. Still some obvious upside there, but time is quickly running out for that light to come on. Schenn has regressed every year since his rookie season. There's a reason these guys have been in at the front of every trade rumor coming out of Toronto and Philadelphia for the past two years.

Van Riemsdyk is at least a decent bet to become a good 2nd line winger. I'm not sure Schenn will ever be at the level of a top-4 defenseman. Maybe getting away from Ron Wilson will help, but I'm not convinced he has the brain to play minutes against better NHL players.

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06-24-2012, 06:25 AM
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Two overpaid, underachieving, struggling young players not living up to where they were drafted traded for one another.

Fills a need for both teams and both players were relatively expendable from both teams. Good trade but I can't help but think the Leafs will come out on top here. I can see JVR becoming a solid 2nd line player. Schenn I'm not entirely sold his lack of hockey IQ and skating will ever be fixed.

In the end both teams are taking a chance but have addressed needs.

My one question though is both players have hit rock bottom in terms of value. I still thought JVR's rock bottom value was better then Schenn's though.

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06-24-2012, 06:40 AM
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I think Schenn really finds his game with the flyers.

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06-24-2012, 06:43 AM
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Two overpaid, underachieving, struggling young players not living up to where they were drafted traded for one another.

Fills a need for both teams and both players were relatively expendable from both teams. Good trade but I can't help but think the Leafs will come out on top here. I can see JVR becoming a solid 2nd line player. Schenn I'm not entirely sold his lack of hockey IQ and skating will ever be fixed.

In the end both teams are taking a chance but have addressed needs.

My one question though is both players have hit rock bottom in terms of value. I still thought JVR's rock bottom value was better then Schenn's though.
D-man are always tricky to handle. You simply never know. Not comparing both players but i remember an impatient Hartford team trading a young Pronger because he was slow to develop... I think we all know the end of this story so if there's one lesson to apply with D-man, it's patience, patience and more patience.

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06-24-2012, 06:53 AM
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JVR will never get much better than he is now. UNH does not produce high end talent. For those Wildcat fans planning to throw Rod Langway at me, save it. That was like 30 years ago. Their winningest goalie ever could not hold an AHL job. Their top scorers like
Mowers, Haydar, etc ... just not NHL stars.

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D-man are always tricky to handle. You simply never know. Not comparing both players but i remember an impatient Hartford team trading a young Pronger because he was slow to develop... I think we all know the end of this story so if there's one lesson to apply with D-man, it's patience, patience and more patience.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Schenn won't pan out. He could absolutely turn it around. Thus far though, for someone who was toted as the next "Foote" (Which is ironic considering the new NHL pushed Adam Foote out the door) he seriously lacks hockey IQ and the foot speed to bail him out of his poor decisions which are both something he may never attain.

He could be that top pairing guy but right now his ceiling looks to have dropped to middle pairing and from what I've seen he really has a lot of holes in his game for a 4th year guy making as much as D.Seids!

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I think Schenn really finds his game with the flyers.
I'm sure he could now that he got away from playing on an up tempo team with little defensive structure and poor goaltending.

Wait a minute......


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Good trade. I both they both fail of course. NBC stock fell yesterday on the news... their favorite son is moving to Canada.

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06-24-2012, 07:44 AM
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Breaking News!!!! Toronto trades Luke Schenn to Flyers for James Van RiemsDyk. Done deal. #TSN
wow, Burke got one right however, still doesn`t change the fact that the Leafs are still absent a true #1 centerman

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Exactly my point. They don't have much in the way of D. I'm a big fan of Schenn and think he'll flourish in Philly, I just think their D is better with Schenn than without. JvR is a good player too.

I think Philly gets better with this deal and Toronto doesn't.

They need a goalie, bad.
It's not elite by any means, but it actually isn't bad. Like I said, I think a big part of their problem was the system.

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I think it was Krejci for Schenn (and maybe a pick?) and then we flip Schenn for JVR. Seguin goes to center and JVR develops into Horton's eventual replacement.

I thought that TO could use a C much more than another winger.


To be honest, JVR to TO is a little confusing to me. I know Burke loves Americans and big, strong talented kids so that's not confusing, but Kessel had explosive chemsitry with Lupul, they went to the All-Star game together. Toronto's 2nd line of Kumelin-Grabo-Mac also had great chemistry and put up big numbers in '10-11. JVR's an upgrade on those wingers, but why not leave that line (since it's an above avg 2nd line) and use your assets to pry a center from someone?
Kulemin and or McArthur will go in a deal for a goalie.

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The hockey gods for some reason hate Toronto

Jvr will find a way to be worse on the leafs and schenn will have his best season yet.

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wow, Burke got one right however, still doesn`t change the fact that the Leafs are still absent a true #1 centerman
Beauchemin for Gardiner and Lupul was a win for him, and the Kaberle deal (while helping Boston) also was a good deal for Toronto.

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I think Schenn will be much improved in Philly. But they still need a nother D.

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It's not elite by any means, but it actually isn't bad. Like I said, I think a big part of their problem was the system.
Ya, system and goaltending was the problem for sure. But their D is nothing to write home about. Too many ifs and question marks for me. They get a solid goalie and they could make that D look a little better. But it leaves a lot to be desired. IMO

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Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that people were saying philly had too many D?

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Both will be high end talents and both address needs for the team they were traded too. Pretty good trade for both imo.

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How did JVR's stock fall so quickly in just 1 year?

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Not quite sure who wins this one, but both teams fill a need. We'll know more after next season if either one of these guys reaches their potential for their new team. I would bet on JVR, as I still think he has some upside and has shown brighter flashes than Schenn. Seems to work for both teams though.

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