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06-23-2012, 05:21 PM
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Trading Schenn makes me think Schultz is coming to Toronto. Dont think Burke would like a Defense with Dion, Gardiner, Liles, Frason, Komi, Gunnar.

IMO he knows he has Schultz to put in somewhere

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I think by the end of the year its going to look more like JVR-Grabo-Frattin

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Lupul - _____ - Kessel - Top Line
JVR - Grabo - Kulie - Two-Way Shutdown Line
Kadri - _____ - Frattin - Sheltered Scoring Line
Brown - Steckle - _____ - Energy Line



MacArthur, Lombardi, Armstrong, Conolly, Bozak, Rosehill, Crabb

All don't really fit in any more.

We need a 1st line C, elite level play maker, has speed can play D - ( Stastny? )
We need a 3rd line C, size can shut people down with some scoring touch - ( Gaustad? )
We need a 4th line winger, intimidating, big, physical ( Prust?)
I like those additions. The problem is getting rid of those seven forwards. There all a bunch of has beens.

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Trading Schenn makes me think Schultz is coming to Toronto. Dont think Burke would like a Defense with Dion, Gardiner, Liles, Frason, Komi, Gunnar.

IMO he knows he has Schultz to put in somewhere
Heres hoping.....think we need to keep Komi now for some grit. All those other guys are soft.

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06-23-2012, 05:33 PM
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Following the line types from that article:

Lupul - XXXX - Kessel Top Line
Kulemin - Grabovski - Frattin Shutdown Line
JVR - XXXX - Kadri Scoring Line < --- Bozak?
XXXX - Steckle - Brown Energy line

Personally my interpretation of the top 6 bottom 6 was a little different...

Does this mean Kadri should be played on the 3rd line? and that Kadri will only be a 3rd or 1st liner for us?

edit: also how good is JVR's two-way game? I never thought it was very good, but to be honest I don't watch him very often...
Top 8 bottom 4 has been model for quite sometime.

Another winger is definitely heading out the door.

CMac being the most likely candidate because of his salary, only 1 year remaining and he needs to fit in on a scoring line to have his value to a team fully maximized like JVR. There is only so many powerplay minutes to go around and CMac just got some serious competition for his minutes. That is with Kadri already probably pusing CMac out the door at some point this season.

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06-23-2012, 05:33 PM
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I don't expect Kadri or Frattin on the third line. Either traded or in AHL. They are not bottom 6 types.
Playing a 3rd line role is a great way for Kadri to learn defencive responsibility. It doesn't have to be forever.

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06-23-2012, 05:35 PM
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... are we primed to move a forward for another asset?

If they keep the Lupul-Bozak-Kessel (barring some inconceivable trade for a #1 centreman) line and the MacArthur-Grabo-Kulemin line stay together, is it possible we look at moving someone?

Wouldn't surprise me to see MacArthur moved... but I'm curious to find out what everyone else thinks. Maybe he goes to Vancouver in a Luongo deal? Dealt for third line grit?


It will be one of Mac, Kulemin, or Kadri. In Longley's column in the Sun this morning Dallas Eakins was quoted as saying that Kadri needs to get bigger because he is pushed off the puck too easily, they they have given him all the info he needs for what to work on over the summer, and that is he does what he has been told he can be a good NHL player but, if not, he can move on somewhere else. That sounds like they are running out of patience with him.

Here is a link to the column:

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22...speedy-defence

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The next move IMHO should be:

3 of Gunnar, Franson, MacA, Scrivens, Bozak for a young probable 1st line center (Colin Wilson)

or

Gunnar+MacA+Franson for a #1 defenceman to play with Phaneuf (doesn't have to be elite, just a good fit for Phaneuf).

Also, I'm 95% convinced Justin Schultz will sign here.

Scrivens likely isn't going anywhere.

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Playing a 3rd line role is a great way for Kadri to learn defencive responsibility. It doesn't have to be forever.
Absolutely agree and would benefit him in the long run. Play him 3rd line type role 5 on 5 to start and use him on the powerplay equals roughly 15 minutes a night.

Not sure why people think Frattin isn't suited for a 3rd line type role. If anything it'd be ideal for him. Strong on the puck, solid defensively, drives hard to the net. His weakest area is his tunnel vision (which would frustrate more skilled linemates).

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Scrivens likely isn't going anywhere.
Probably not, but if Luongo is coming here, he could be a trade chip.

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It will be one of Mac, Kulemin, or Kadri. In Longley's column in the Sun this morning Dallas Eakins was quoted as saying that Kadri needs to get bigger because he is pushed off the puck too easily, they they have given him all the info he needs for what to work on over the summer, and that is he does what he has been told he can be a good NHL player but, if not, he can move on somewhere else. That sounds like they are running out of patience with him.

Here is a link to the column:

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22...speedy-defence
Interesting comments, thanks for the post. Wouldn't shock me to see Kadri moved at this point... he really does need to get bigger, and it appears by the article that maybe he's not following the Leafs strength and conditioning instructions as closely as they'd like?

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Interesting comments, thanks for the post. Wouldn't shock me to see Kadri moved at this point... he really does need to get bigger, and it appears by the article that maybe he's not following the Leafs strength and conditioning instructions as closely as they'd like?
Yeah, that he isn't listening to them and doing what is asked of him is what I took from it. I have thought for a while now that he had to go because, despite the skill level, his head just wasn't right for the Leafs. If he can be packaged for another forward or a goalie I would be happy.

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Yeah, that he isn't listening to them and doing what is asked of him is what I took from it. I have thought for a while now that he had to go because, despite the skill level, his head just wasn't right for the Leafs. If he can be packaged for another forward or a goalie I would be happy.
I've been a Kadri fan and that's what I took from the comments as well. Kid better get it together

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I think by the end of the year its going to look more like JVR-Grabo-Frattin
That line will be fun to watch.

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Yeah, that he isn't listening to them and doing what is asked of him is what I took from it. I have thought for a while now that he had to go because, despite the skill level, his head just wasn't right for the Leafs. If he can be packaged for another forward or a goalie I would be happy.
Interesting possibilities.... maybe it could be a deal for Luongo?

Kadri and Komisarek

for

Luongo and Jensen


Would love to get Jensen, but I doubt it would happen....

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I could even see the third line being

Komo/Kadri/Frattin, who knows, Kadri looked good last year at beginning of camp. Give Colborne another year in the minors.

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Scrivens, Kadri, Komisarek for LOLongo.

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Lupul - Connolly - Kessel
JVR - Grabo - Frattin
Komarov - Kadri/Bozak - Kulie
Crabb - Steckel - Brown

Gunner - Phaneuf
Holzer - Gardiner
Franson - JML
Mike "unmovable" Komisarek riding the press box

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I've been a Kadri fan and that's what I took from the comments as well. Kid better get it together
I wonder how much longer they will give him before saying enough is enough?

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I would hope that of our current crop of forwards, Lombardi and MacArthur are viewed as the odd men out at centre and wing, respectively.

On Lombardi -- while he did bounce back to play 62 games, he really wasn't effective in that time, and while versatility is an obvious asset, he's not the kind of player who does anything particularly well for $3.5m. If we were short on wingers, then maybe you look at him as a 5th centre, but that's really not the case.

On MacArthur -- I think he falls victim to the same thing problem as Lombardi, in the sense that there isn't one thing that he does really really well which our team lacks. Yes, he scored 20 goals for the second consecutive year, despite only playing 73 games... but he really doesn't do much else.

You look at the other wingers on our roster, and you've got Kessel / Lupul who are both superior goalscorers. You've got JvR and Kulemin who both have a ton of offensive potential, size, and in the case of Kulemin, defensive ability. Then you've got the youth upside in Frattin/Kadri (for whom both it's time for a regular role), and energy with Armstrong/Brown. When you consider that there's probably a need for another two-way winger, I think at least one of the current crop has to go.

That being said, if we can find a way to cash-out on Kadri to upgrade Connolly at the centre position, I think we're looking really good with Ashton & Colborne as callups.

JvR-___-Kessel
Kulemin-Grabovski-Lupul
MacArthur-Bozak-Frattin
Brown-Steckel-Armstrong

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WOW! I just thought, you want size and grit and skill? Imagine this line in the future.

JVR/Colborne/Biggs

DAYUM SON!! Who wanna get pummeled by 6'3+ 210 pounds + freight trains with hands that'll crush your face and crash the net.

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Interesting possibilities.... maybe it could be a deal for Luongo?

Kadri and Komisarek

for

Luongo and Jensen


Would love to get Jensen, but I doubt it would happen....

I'd rather see him shipped to Nashville in a package for Rinne but I know there is no way in hell that that will happen.

As for Luongo - I think Gillis is acting like Howson and is being unreasonable and demanding too much so I doubt Burke will give him what he is demanding especially as there is plenty of time left before the season starts.

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Joffrey Lupul - Tyler Bozak - Phil Kessel
James van Riemsdyk - Mikhail Grabovski - Nikolai Kulemin
Nazem Kadri - Tim Connolly - Matt Frattin
Jerry D'Amigo - David Steckel - Mike Brown
Leo Komarov

Clarke MacArthur gets moved out for picks or prospects, or maybe in a package to upgrade the top-6.

Matthew Lombardi and Colby Armstrong are gone - traded for anything or in the minors.
Were you reading my mind? 'cause this is exactly how I was envisioning it going down, minus D'Amigo being swapped for Hamilton or Zigomanis.

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Something has got to give.

With Carlyles love for Frattin, he's seemingly bound for a Top 9 spot.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Frattin
Kulemin - Connolly - Macarthurt / Kadri
Steckle - Komorov - Brown

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Following the line types from that article:

Lupul - XXXX - Kessel Top Line
Kulemin - Grabovski - Frattin Shutdown Line
JVR - XXXX - Kadri Scoring Line < --- Bozak?
XXXX - Steckle - Brown Energy line

Personally my interpretation of the top 6 bottom 6 was a little different...

Does this mean Kadri should be played on the 3rd line? and that Kadri will only be a 3rd or 1st liner for us?

edit: also how good is JVR's two-way game? I never thought it was very good, but to be honest I don't watch him very often...
He isn't great defensively but he won't be horrible...he has been improving, last year he just couldn't skate due to his injuries.

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