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06-23-2012, 07:26 PM
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I'm nearly certain we make more moves. As it stands though, this is a lineup that I'd like to see get a shot:

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - MacArthur
Kulemin - Kadri - Frattin
Crabb - Komarov - Brown

Waive, trade or healthy scratch: Connolly, Lombardi, Army and Steckel

The only thing somewhat unorthodox about that lineup is Kadri as the #3 C, he's been splitting his time between C and LW in the AHL, but I think he could do well at C with two big boys like Kulemin and Frattin on his wings. Before I had him pencilled in as more of a LW for this season, but with the acquisition of JVR we've got an excess of LWs, why not give him an extended look at C?

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06-23-2012, 07:31 PM
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Another tweet that indicates something else is either in the works or is done and just needs to be announced:

https://twitter.com/HennyTweets/stat...44910575652865

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06-23-2012, 07:36 PM
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Most glaring need is a goalie, a stud Goalie. Can't really contend without one. If Luongo is the man, and I know there is some doubt on that, its still miles better than going fwd with Reimer-Scrivens.

Typed on phone.

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06-23-2012, 07:37 PM
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As for Luongo - I think Gillis is acting like Howson and is being unreasonable and demanding too much so I doubt Burke will give him what he is demanding especially as there is plenty of time left before the season starts.
I think you're on to something here, but...

Dale Tallon has cap space, his back up is a RFA on July 1 and Theodore is a RFA next summer.

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06-23-2012, 07:49 PM
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I'm nearly certain we make more moves. As it stands though, this is a lineup that I'd like to see get a shot:

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - MacArthur
Kulemin - Kadri - Frattin
Crabb - Komarov - Brown

Waive, trade or healthy scratch: Connolly, Lombardi, Army and Steckel

The only thing somewhat unorthodox about that lineup is Kadri as the #3 C, he's been splitting his time between C and LW in the AHL, but I think he could do well at C with two big boys like Kulemin and Frattin on his wings. Before I had him pencilled in as more of a LW for this season, but with the acquisition of JVR we've got an excess of LWs, why not give him an extended look at C?
It's nice that we have an asset like JVR who probably still carries a lot of value on the trade market. Even though we just got him, he's a guy we could start building a pretty good trade package around for some big fish down the line also. Or we keep him and watch him blossom.

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06-23-2012, 07:49 PM
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I would hope that of our current crop of forwards, Lombardi and MacArthur are viewed as the odd men out at centre and wing, respectively.

On Lombardi -- while he did bounce back to play 62 games, he really wasn't effective in that time, and while versatility is an obvious asset, he's not the kind of player who does anything particularly well for $3.5m. If we were short on wingers, then maybe you look at him as a 5th centre, but that's really not the case.

On MacArthur -- I think he falls victim to the same thing problem as Lombardi, in the sense that there isn't one thing that he does really really well which our team lacks. Yes, he scored 20 goals for the second consecutive year, despite only playing 73 games... but he really doesn't do much else.

You look at the other wingers on our roster, and you've got Kessel / Lupul who are both superior goalscorers. You've got JvR and Kulemin who both have a ton of offensive potential, size, and in the case of Kulemin, defensive ability. Then you've got the youth upside in Frattin/Kadri (for whom both it's time for a regular role), and energy with Armstrong/Brown. When you consider that there's probably a need for another two-way winger, I think at least one of the current crop has to go.

That being said, if we can find a way to cash-out on Kadri to upgrade Connolly at the centre position, I think we're looking really good with Ashton & Colborne as callups.

JvR-___-Kessel
Kulemin-Grabovski-Lupul
MacArthur-Bozak-Frattin
Brown-Steckel-Armstrong
CMac is probably gone before Lombardi cause

-he should return more in a trade to a team needing offensive wing options (something Toronto is suddenly very strong in)

-is useless unless he's in a scoring role. Take him away from Grabo and his numbers plummet to his Buffalo days (or Lombardi type numbers) but he also can't check worth a darn or penalty kill so he isn't suited for a 3rd line type role. There is only so much power play time to spread around and JVR will be getting priority for those minutes

-doesn't present the versatility that Lombardi does who can play all 3 forward spots, take faceoffs and also does some penalty killing and play the power play if we really get desperate. With the Leafs having Connolly and Armstrong as high injury risks, the very real possibility that Kadri and Frattin will need a few to watch and learn from the pressbox this could be important

CMac is like Hagman and Stajan were. A good player on a bad team who can put up okay numbers with cushy minutes but not a good player who is tough to play against.

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06-23-2012, 07:50 PM
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Most glaring need is a goalie, a stud Goalie. Can't really contend without one. If Luongo is the man, and I know there is some doubt on that, its still miles better than going fwd with Reimer-Scrivens.

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It would be funny if the Leafs got Tim Thomas for a song and Vancouver loses out and has to waive Luongo.

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06-23-2012, 07:55 PM
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It would be funny if the Leafs got Tim Thomas for a song and Vancouver loses out and has to waive Luongo.
That is what I'd like to happen. Alternately, a 3 way with the Sharks where we get Niemi and San Jose get Luongo would be good for me.

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06-23-2012, 07:57 PM
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When asked via Twitter if the second trade fell through, he said no. Shocking if there is another done that hasn't been announced yet. Cone of silence.

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Lupul - _____ - Kessel - Top Line
JVR - Grabo - Kulie - Two-Way Shutdown Line
Kadri - _____ - Frattin - Sheltered Scoring Line
Brown - Steckle - _____ - Energy Line



MacArthur, Lombardi, Armstrong, Conolly, Bozak, Rosehill, Crabb

All don't really fit in any more.

We need a 1st line C, elite level play maker, has speed can play D - ( Stastny? )
We need a 3rd line C, size can shut people down with some scoring touch - ( Gaustad? )
We need a 4th line winger, intimidating, big, physical ( Prust?)
Bozak can easily slot into the 3rd line centre position.

Rosehill and Crabb are UFAs and won't be offered deals.

MacArthur, Connolly, Lombardi and Armstrong are all bait.

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06-23-2012, 07:59 PM
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Something has got to give.

With Carlyles love for Frattin, he's seemingly bound for a Top 9 spot.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Frattin
Kulemin - Connolly - Macarthurt / Kadri
Steckle - Komorov - Brown
I don't see the Leafs going far with that line up. Leafs need a true #1 centre, a #2 centre with size/speed, Grabbo on 3rd line, forget about Connelly, he's useless.

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06-23-2012, 08:12 PM
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I don't see the Leafs going far with that line up. Leafs need a true #1 centre, a #2 centre with size/speed, Grabbo on 3rd line, forget about Connelly, he's useless.
Grabo's fine as a #2C. Not to mention we're not going to pay 5.5 mil/year for a third liner.

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06-23-2012, 08:13 PM
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I think ideally you guys end up with this

Lupul - Stastny - Kessel
Van Riemsdyk - Grabovski - Kulemin
MacArthur - Colbourne - Frattin
Lombardi - Steckel - Brown

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Gardiner - Komisarek
Liles - Holzer

Reimer
Scrivens

However i find it highly unlikely that you go into next season; being able to find bidders for Connolly, Armstrong, etc.

and the only conceivable way i see you acquiring Stastny is by including Kadri, Bozak, ++

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06-23-2012, 08:15 PM
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It would be funny if the Leafs got Tim Thomas for a song and Vancouver loses out and has to waive Luongo.
I think I'd wet myself laughing.

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When asked via Twitter if the second trade fell through, he said no. Shocking if there is another done that hasn't been announced yet. Cone of silence.
Could be getting league approval, waiting for a player with a NTC clause to agree to waive, any number of things.

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Grabo's fine as a #2C. Not to mention we're not going to pay 5.5 mil/year for a third liner.
respectfully, Grabbo's got the heart, but not the skill to be a true #2 centre, regardless of Burke's overpayment, he's a excellent #3 centre.

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respectfully, Grabbo's got the heart, but not the skill to be a true #2 centre, regardless of Burke's overpayment, he's a excellent #3 centre.
Of course he's got the skill. I'd rate Grabo a middle to top tier 2nd line center. He just doesn't have the consistent history yet, but he's there in spades.

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respectfully, Grabbo's got the heart, but not the skill to be a true #2 centre, regardless of Burke's overpayment, he's a excellent #3 centre.
Doesn't have the skill?? you've got to be kidding me.. he's got heart and Skill.. he had a few goals up for TSN's play of the year award.

he's a work horse and when compared to other contracts in that range he might be overpaid by maybe 500k.. but even then i don't think so. 50+ point second line center.

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Barring any other deals, this is my thoughts on a potential forward group.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel(Top line, why not? it worked last year and Bozak may get better)
Kuli - Grabo - Mac (Plays against other teams top line. Good for 50ish points each)
JVR - Kadri - Frattin ( Nice combination of skill/power/scoring. Kid line to watch for)
Army - Steckel - Brown (Energy/faceoff specialist etc)


I really don't think we are done, but that's a decent forward group.
Balance out the minutes with special teams etc. I'm not listing "top 3 lines "in terms of ice time.

!)We have a line that boasted two top 5 scorers and an improving 26 year old C going into his 4th year. Bozie could be good for 55-60 Points next year.

2) Grabo line has shown to have shut down abilities while creating offense at the same time. I like that when they are on, they can out play other top lines in terms of O zone possession. It's a nice mix of D and Offense. Put the shut down D pair with them and let it roll. All should be good for 50ish points at least.

3) Highly skilled/ high potential kid line. Great mix of size/speed/strength/skill. If they found chemistry they could be a force. You can get them sheltered minutes away from top checker who would be against the Kessel line.. Get them more minutes through PP Time (Kadri/JVR... maybe Frattin) and PK (Frattin)

4) Energy/PK/Faceoffs.... same ol


Anyone like the potential of rolling with something like this at the moment?

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To cap of a brilliant leafs off - season:

You trade Kadri, Macarthur, 2nd 2013, + Prospect(s) For a no.1 Centre (Stastny hopefully)

Sign Brandon Prust

I'd love to sign Schultz but it's all speculation so I'll let that be.


Lupul - Stastny - Kessel (If it aint broke dont fix it! Stastny adds play-making, and defense)
JVR - Grabovski - Kulemin (2 big guys in Kule & JVR with high scoring potential, as well as 2 defensively sound guys Kule & Grabo. Would be a match up line that can also score)
Prust - Bozak - Frattin (A defensive, decent sized 3rd line capable of scoring)
Komorav - Steckel - Brown (Two speedy buggers, and a mammoth who wins key face-offs)

Gunnarson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Holzer

Reimer?
Scrivens?

I think that that roster would make the playoffs.

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respectfully, Grabbo's got the heart, but not the skill to be a true #2 centre, regardless of Burke's overpayment, he's a excellent #3 centre.
WRONG!!!!!!!


grabo cleary HAS the skill and IS already a good/ getting close to a top notch 2nd line center..... we need to fill our #1 but grabo is a suitable 2nd line center for several years for us

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Not bad trade at all. I like this guy. Hopefully his head does not get in the way. Schenn is good defenseman who was destroyed by the Leafs. Flyers will mould him into top 4 strong d-man. Might take couple years to reverse what Leafs did to him. JVD hopefully can become the centre between Kessel and Lopul. I really like this guy.

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I'm predicting something like a defenceman (Franson?) and a forward/prospect/pick for Colin Wilson.

Young center iceman with good vision, grit. Seems like a Burke type too: Big, strong, American/Canadian, power forward, went to Boston College.

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To cap of a brilliant leafs off - season:

You trade Kadri, Macarthur, 2nd 2013, + Prospect(s) For a no.1 Centre (Stastny hopefully)

Sign Brandon Prust

I'd love to sign Schultz but it's all speculation so I'll let that be.


Lupul - Stastny - Kessel (If it aint broke dont fix it! Stastny adds play-making, and defense)
JVR - Grabovski - Kulemin (2 big guys in Kule & JVR with high scoring potential, as well as 2 defensively sound guys Kule & Grabo. Would be a match up line that can also score)
Prust - Bozak - Frattin (A defensive, decent sized 3rd line capable of scoring)
Komorav - Steckel - Brown (Two speedy buggers, and a mammoth who wins key face-offs)

Gunnarson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Holzer

Reimer?
Scrivens?

I think that that roster would make the playoffs.
The defence and goaltending looks suspect but the forwards are coming together.

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This is what I see:

Lupul - Connolly - Kessel
JVR - Grabby - MacArthur
Kadri - Bozak - Kulemin
Brown - Steckel - Frattin
Phaneuf - Gunnarson
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Komisarek
Reimer
Scrivens

I see a very big need for a top 4 shutdown guy. Someone to the tune of Barrett Jackman. On a side note, I am very excited with the way this team is shaping up. Our first callups are: Kormanov and Holzer and our scratches are Armstrong and Lombardi

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