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06-24-2012, 02:17 AM
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Yup he's not here to score goals, aside from a few, energy, crash and bang type of player, change the momentum of a game with a huge hit. We need someone like him.
I wouldn't go so far as to say we "need" him. He is likely an improvement over whatever other options we might have had. He's the only semi-worthwhile player we were likely to be able to convince to take that sort of deal as well.

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Its 2 way so I don't care as long as he doesn't play more than 4 minutes a night on the big club. Hated him the first go around for being way to prominent and wasn't happy to see him back. Decent bottom liner but we'll never be considered a contender with players of his caliber playing decent time on the team.

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06-24-2012, 09:57 AM
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Hopefully we never have to call him up from Houston. He may play with tons of energy, but it rarely results in positives.

The only time Veilleux is good is when he gets into a fight and gets the crap kicked out of him. Then he's on fire for 2-3 games.

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06-24-2012, 10:39 AM
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I am fine with this. He is a good example for the youngsters, will stick up for teammates, and fits Yeo's type of game. Don't expect offense, don't expect him to win fights, and don't expect him to be as effective as he was at the end of last season (was running on adrenaline imo - being traded back to his original team, wanting to show the team he belongs. He has always had a motor but even those guys wear down over the course of a season.)

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06-24-2012, 12:55 PM
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Are you trolling with this lineup? This can't be for real... And if not, you have to get their positions at least somewhat correct.
No, I am not trolling.

I always list lines as C-LW-RW, so I do have their positions somewhat correct.

koivu, Cullen, Brodziak, Powe are Centers. I know Powe also plays wing. Heatley, Latendresse, Parise, Coyle have experiance playing LW. I prefer Coyle at Wing because of his size. Granlund, Bouchard, Setaguchi, Clutterbuck have experiance at RW. I know Granlund is also a Center, but not when he is on Koivu's Line.

I would be OK with these lines also (except Setoguchi and Heatley didn't have chemistry when centered by Brodziak.:

line 1: Koivu Centering Parise-Granlund
line 2A: Cullen Centering Latendresse-Bouchard
line 2B:Brodziak Centering Heatley-Setoguchi
line 3: Powe Centering Coyle-Clutterbuck

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line 1: Koivu Centering Parise-Heatley
ine 2A: Culle Centering Latendresse-Bouchard
ine 2B: Brodziak Centering Setaguchi-Granlund
line 3: Powe Centering Coyle-Clutterbuck

However, Granlund is no longer on Koivu's line and Setaguchi is at LW, which isn't good.

Also, I would have Coyle move up when injuries accure, and Veileux takes over on the last line.

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06-24-2012, 01:00 PM
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Hopefully we never have to call him up from Houston. He may play with tons of energy, but it rarely results in positives.

The only time Veilleux is good is when he gets into a fight and gets the crap kicked out of him. Then he's on fire for 2-3 games.
I hope he makes the Wild. But as the 13th forward. I would rather have him be a healthy scratch, then one of the prospects. The prospects need to play, whether that be with the Wild or with Houston.

He plays only when someone gets injured, but the injury call-up hasn't arrived yet.

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06-24-2012, 01:02 PM
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The prospects do need to play, which is why Coyle will absolutely not be playing on the 4th line in any scenario. It will not happen (except temporarily as a call up, but that's not terribly likely either).

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The prospects do need to play, which is why Coyle will absolutely not be playing on the 4th line in any scenario. It will not happen (except temporarily as a call up, but that's not terribly likely either).
This.

Unless we want to develop Coyle into a 4th line checker.

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06-24-2012, 01:07 PM
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Unless injuries prevail, I don't think we're going to see to much of Stephane this winter.

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I might just be nitpicking but I don't labeling lines 1-4. Just make the lines with the best combinations. If Parise plays better with Latendresse and Cullen, then let that be our #2 line.
Exactly, that was my original point. I didn't consider Coyle and Clutterbuck as 4th liners in my original lineup idea. I didn't consider Parise as a 3rd liner, or even 2nd liner. I am just trying to roll the best 4 good lines as possible.

Your idea of Cullen centering Parise and Latendresse is an interesting Idea.

Koivu centering Heatley-Granlund
Cullen centering Parise and Latendresse
Brodziak centering Setoguchi-Bouchard
Powe centering Coyle-Clutterbuck

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Exactly, that was my original point. I didn't consider Coyle and Clutterbuck as 4th liners in my original lineup idea. I didn't consider Parise as a 3rd liner, or even 2nd liner. I am just trying to roll the best 4 good lines as possible.

Your idea of Cullen centering Parise and Latendresse is an interesting Idea.

Koivu centering Heatley-Granlund
Cullen centering Parise and Latendresse
Brodziak centering Setoguchi-Bouchard
Powe centering Coyle-Clutterbuck
We'll have to see how it goes but I definitely like that last line. But maybe instead of Coyle, put Bulmer?

Coyle I would love to see get top six minutes with Houston

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I'd rather not see Bulmer on the fourth line. Thats just going to stall his development.

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The team has hopes for Bulmer's offensive game. If he doesn't somehow win a third line spot he'll be in Houston.

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That sounds good. He really impressed me at the beginning of this past year.

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Just throwing it out there: If it came down to keeping Powe or Veilleux on the fourth line, I'd take Veilleux every time. I was really underwhelmed with Powe last season.

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Just throwing it out there: If it came down to keeping Powe or Veilleux on the fourth line, I'd take Veilleux every time. I was really underwhelmed with Powe last season.
Powe is more useful in a PK role than Veilleux is. I'd rather have the player who you can have an excuse for him to be in more than one spot.

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I'd have to roll with Powe, strictly because he plays the PK.

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I'd assume Powe would also fit center position better, giving him an advantage. I wouldn't mind having them both in the fourth line, but we'll see.

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Just throwing it out there: If it came down to keeping Powe or Veilleux on the fourth line, I'd take Veilleux every time. I was really underwhelmed with Powe last season.
Powe is twice the player that SV is in every possible way.

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Powe definitely plays more roles and has more dimensions to his game. It's just he's also quite bad at most of those roles.

Veilleux is one-dimensional but he's very effective. If the goal of the fourth line is to shift momentum, set an example, and irritate the other team (and I tend to think it is) then Veilleux is a better fourth-liner than Powe.

Edit: actually, looking back at the numbers, Powe is a serviceable penalty killer. That said I still don't think he's as effective as an even-strength fourth-liner.

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not even close, Powe vs. Steph. jeez, people. Powe is better at pretty much everything except getting in the way.

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Powe definitely plays more roles and has more dimensions to his game. It's just he's also quite bad at most of those roles.

Veilleux is one-dimensional but he's very effective. If the goal of the fourth line is to shift momentum, set an example, and irritate the other team (and I tend to think it is) then Veilleux is a better fourth-liner than Powe.
Powe centering Veilleux-Clutterbuck as a fourth line?

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not even close, Powe vs. Steph. jeez, people. Powe is better at pretty much everything except getting in the way.
There seems to be forgetfulness as to how bad Veilleux was for the Wild the first time around. Yeah, energy and attitude and other "intangibles." Whatever. The tangibles are that he can't handle the puck and killed offensive momentum every time his line was in the opponent's zone. He was the typical "score a few goals at the end of the year when wins don't matter anymore" guy.

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There seems to be forgetfulness as to how bad Veilleux was for the Wild the first time around. Yeah, energy and attitude and other "intangibles." Whatever. The tangibles are that he can't handle the puck and killed offensive momentum every time his line was in the opponent's zone. He was the typical "score a few goals at the end of the year when wins don't matter anymore" guy.
The problem is that on many occassions Veilleux was asked to do more than what he is capable of. He's a 4th line grinder...an energy guy...and a good one at that. His role shouldn't be that of a Top 9 scorer.

What's the issue? This is a 1 year - 2 way deal, probably for the minimum. I like it.

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