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06-25-2012, 07:19 PM
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I dont care what he did in the last 15 games.

The fact it took him 67 games to find any kind of stride is a big enough flag for him. I cant believe how many people are putting him on the top line based on 15 games. Thats like saying a guy who goes on a 15 game goalless streak at the end of the season should be traded, when he had 35 goals prior to that. Look at the entire year when making lines. Thats all I ask.

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06-25-2012, 07:25 PM
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I dont care what he did in the last 15 games.

The fact it took him 67 games to find any kind of stride is a big enough flag for him. I cant believe how many people are putting him on the top line based on 15 games. Thats like saying a guy who goes on a 15 game goalless streak at the end of the season should be traded, when he had 35 goals prior to that. Look at the entire year when making lines. Thats all I ask.
and those first 67 games, he was stuck on the 4th line with Jackman and Kosto...

So you refuse to acknowledge that Stajan played quite well when given the ice time, and for that reason, slot him in the bottom 6, yet you have Cervenka on the top line when he's never played an NHL game in his life? Not to mention Baertschi AND Backlund on the 2nd line, over Glencross...

If Stajan doesn't work out, they can simply chance the lines up. Us saying Stajan should be in the top 6 doesn't mean he'll be there permanently, simply that he deserves the chance to see if his play from late last season can carry over.

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06-25-2012, 07:31 PM
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Just think had we not traded erixon, though we didn't have a choice, and not traded for jokinen we would have a decent defence with Erixon and Gormley coming up.. What could have been..

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06-25-2012, 07:31 PM
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and those first 67 games, he was stuck on the 4th line with Jackman and Kosto...

So you refuse to acknowledge that Stajan played quite well when given the ice time, and for that reason, slot him in the bottom 6, yet you have Cervenka on the top line when he's never played an NHL game in his life? Not to mention Baertschi AND Backlund on the 2nd line, over Glencross...
I just listed out the players, those arent my personal lines. These are, with the current players.

NHL Forwards (11)
Alex Tanguay - Mike Cammalleri - Jarome Iginla
Sven Baertschi - Roman Cervenka - Curtis Glencross
*Blair Jones - Mikael Backlund -
Lance Bouma - Matt Stajan - Tim Jackman


NHL Defenseman (6)
Jay Bouwmeester - Mark Giordano
T.J. Brodie - Anton Babchuk
Chris Butler - Derek Smith

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06-25-2012, 07:33 PM
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You clearly didn't watch the last 10-15 games of the season.
Stajin is horrible. He got lucky near the end of the season. He a 2nd line center at best

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06-25-2012, 07:47 PM
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I just listed out the players, those arent my personal lines. These are, with the current players.

NHL Forwards (11)
Alex Tanguay - Mike Cammalleri - Jarome Iginla
Sven Baertschi - Roman Cervenka - Curtis Glencross
*Blair Jones - Mikael Backlund -
Lance Bouma - Matt Stajan - Tim Jackman


NHL Defenseman (6)
Jay Bouwmeester - Mark Giordano
T.J. Brodie - Anton Babchuk
Chris Butler - Derek Smith
Fair enough.

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06-25-2012, 07:48 PM
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I dont care what he did in the last 15 games.

The fact it took him 67 games to find any kind of stride is a big enough flag for him. I cant believe how many people are putting him on the top line based on 15 games. Thats like saying a guy who goes on a 15 game goalless streak at the end of the season should be traded, when he had 35 goals prior to that. Look at the entire year when making lines. Thats all I ask.
Stajan has played 56 games on the first line when healthy and has put up 40 points for a ppg of .71 or a pace of 59 points in a year. He simply is the best centerman we have.

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06-25-2012, 08:41 PM
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Stajan already getting heat and its not even July.

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06-25-2012, 08:43 PM
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Stajan has played 56 games on the first line when healthy and has put up 40 points for a ppg of .71 or a pace of 59 points in a year. He simply is the best centerman we have.
Then we need to sign a better one.

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Then we need to sign a better one.
Outside of Jokinen there isn't a better one. But he does not belong on the 4th line behind Cervenka Cammy and Backlund.

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06-25-2012, 09:34 PM
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Outside of Jokinen there isn't a better one. But he does not belong on the 4th line behind Cervenka Cammy and Backlund.
Then he can get third line minutes and take important face offs then get right off the ice.

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Then he can get third line minutes and take important face offs then get right off the ice.
So our best center should be forced in the third/fourth line because you don't like him? Sounds like Sutter's plan.

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06-25-2012, 10:07 PM
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People, wait for training camp to start figuring out who deserves what. I'm hoping Cammy can transition to center. Stajan will get his chance if he is with the team come fall.

Tanguay-Cammy-Iginla is a legit top line if Cammy can hold up.

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06-25-2012, 10:21 PM
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People putting Stajan on the first line should be shot.

I would rather never win a faceoff again then put him anywhere close to the top 2 lines.
Hes the best natural center we have. Whether you like him or not is irrelevent.

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06-25-2012, 10:23 PM
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It's debatable to call Stajan the Flames' best centre.

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06-25-2012, 10:49 PM
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I think, Cammy might be our 'best' center.

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06-25-2012, 11:26 PM
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It's debatable to call Stajan the Flames' best centre.
He certainly isn't the worth, and he certainly isn't bad enough to just toss on the 4th line.

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06-25-2012, 11:33 PM
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I think, Cammy might be our 'best' center.
He is the worst at a centers main job and that is faceoffs

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06-26-2012, 12:49 AM
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Feaster keeps saying Cervenka will be in the top six (at least to start the season) so I'm fairly certain you see them try out Cervenka between Tangs and Igg.

I'd put Glencross - Cammy - Backlund as a line and see how that works and I think Stajan, Jones and AA on the 3rd.

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06-26-2012, 01:25 AM
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Feaster keeps saying Cervenka will be in the top six (at least to start the season) so I'm fairly certain you see them try out Cervenka between Tangs and Igg.

I'd put Glencross - Cammy - Backlund as a line and see how that works and I think Stajan, Jones and AA on the 3rd.
Where is Bart? Plus we are likely to resign Comeau...

Bartschi - Stajan - Comeau

is the most likely 3rd line.

Aliu and Jones will most likely be the 4th line.

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06-26-2012, 01:37 AM
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If anything that this exercise has shown are the relative strengths and weaknesses of the team heading to free agency.

Strengths: plenty forwards capable of playing in the bottom nine. We could probably ice two more third and fourth lines if needed.

Weaknesses: lack of strength / unproven ability down the middle long term (Cammalleri, Cervenka), lack of depth at defense. Another competent rightie on the blue line would be nice.

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06-26-2012, 02:41 AM
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As has been mentioned, Steve Ott would be a great pick up for us. Can win faceoffs and **** disturb. I have no Idea how him and Iggy would fair on the same team though

Best case scenario (IMO)

Trade Stajan for Ott (add on either side)

Sign Semin, Konopka, and Carle


Tanguay - Cammalleri - Iginla

Glencross - Backlund - Semin

Baertschi - Ott - Cervenka

Jones - Konopka - Jackman


Bouwmeester - Giordano

Carle - Butler

Brodie - Babchuk/Smith/Sarich/Hannan

This way we have some guys who can win faceoffs, the offense is potent, and the Defense isnt the gaping chasm of depression it currently looks like.

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06-26-2012, 05:30 AM
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Stajan has played 56 games on the first line when healthy and has put up 40 points for a ppg of .71 or a pace of 59 points in a year. He simply is the best centerman we have.
All this makes me think is how productive a good player could be on our top line.

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06-26-2012, 06:17 AM
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We have three center who can maybe/hopefully play well on the top line plus Cammy. You gotta figure one of those four players will work out. We have plenty of options, but to start the year I would do this:

Tanguay-Cervenka-Iginla
Glencross-Backlund-Cammy
Bartschi-Stajan- Mystery Right Winger
Aliu-Jones-Jackman

Trying to mix the youth with experience, none of this Bartschi-Backlund-Cervenka/Aliu nonsense. Just because I have Backlund on the 2nd line doesn't mean I think he's better than Stajan, because Ragin' Matt outplayed him consistently last year.

I think it's quite apparent we need a right winger either through trade (Chris Stewart?) or FA (Jagr?). We got a ton of guys who can play in the middle or on the left but not many natural right wingers.

I also wouldn't at all be opposed to resigning Jokinen.

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06-26-2012, 09:09 AM
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All this makes me think is how productive a good player could be on our top line.
Stajan is a complimentary player he isn't the kind of guy that can do it on his own, I was merely showing when given a chance on the top line he becomes an effective top line player. I don't care if he is on the first or second line but he needs to be on one of them. One of my main reasons is this year only

The Devils, The Flyers, and the Predators made the playoffs with a below 50% team faceoff precent.

While The Flames, The Ducks, The Oilers, The Islanders, The Canadiens, The Lightning, The Jets, The Stars, and The Sabres all missed the playoffs with a below 50% faceoff precent.

Only 25% of the teams with a below 50% faceoff made the playoffs while 72% of teams with a faceoff% higher than or equal to 50 made it. The main reason I believe is unless your top players are great at defense you are wasting their time with not winning the faceoff.

It looks like we need to replace Jokinen's 1333 draws. If we let Cammy take them based on this years numbers he would win 608 of them but Stajan would win 690. Which gives our top players the puck and lets them play offensive.

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