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All Bobby Ryan Talk - Bobb(y)ing for Ryan Part III

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06-25-2012, 10:30 PM
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I'm guessing the only time you've ever seen him play was in the WC this summer for Team USA. He had a very rough tournament, but he's actually a solid two-way defenseman in the NHL. Not going to be a top pairing guy, but should develop into a solid second pairing puck mover who can skate, pass and shoot well. He's very underrated.
That isn't the only time I've seen him play, but yes, that tournament did leave its mark. He isn't adding anything that we don't already have.

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This is still going? I'm starting to seriously doubt that he moves at all.

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Anaheim has publicly stated they want size.. Anaheim says no.
Anaheim has size. And they lose.

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06-26-2012, 12:18 AM
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Bobby Ryan



Kyle Okposo / Josh Bailey / Michael Grabner

Brock Nelson / Matt Donovan / Calvin de Haan

Ryan Strome / Nino Niedereiter / 1st Rounder in 2013

The Ducks would have their choice of one from each row if it were up to me.

The best deal from as much of a neutral perspective as I can give is Bobby Ryan for Okposo, Nelson, 1st Rounder 2013. + maybe de Haan or Donovan if that isn't enough.


Is that fair value? I really don't want to give up both Ryan Strome and next year's first round pick, which lets be honest, could easily be Seth Jones or Nathan McKinnon.

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06-26-2012, 12:23 AM
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So if the Flyers writer said that Anaheim was desperate and that it would only take Read and a 1st, you'd assume that to be the truth too, right?

I'm not saying anything's right or wrong, but the writer who wrote that knows just as much about Bobby Ryan's price tag as you and I do. It's all speculation. No one knows anything outside of the teams.
That was just a tidbit, coming from a Flyers-ish POV. The important part is that they insist upon Schenn. That's never going to change. whether Bobby's viewed as a luxury or the final piece. As someone said, this isn't about playing fair, it's about capitalizing on GMs getting in a dick measuring contest and doing something they'll regret.


I don't think Ryan will get traded anymore, but if he does, I really hope it isn't with the Rangers. Going through basically every trade they've made post-lockout, they've never really given up a significant asset ever. Highest I think was a second rounder in the Antropov deadline deal(even most of their deadline deals involve them giving up very little). The last first rounder they traded also happened to be for Pavel Bure. Basically, they don't ever give up anything of major value.

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06-26-2012, 12:24 AM
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Yes, you are close. If anything, spot on.

Hamonic cannot be included in the deal. It's just not going to happen.
No actually it's not close.
Anaheim gets a winger who literally did nothing last year in Nino
Grabner could possibly be a 1 hit wonder, his value is not nearly what is was.
that first is simply a pick we don't know how good it'll be.

We get no centers, we get no defensemen, no deal, not close whatsoever

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06-26-2012, 12:36 AM
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Don't know if this has been mentioned (didn't read the thread...my bad), but what about a deal for Kari Lehtonen. I know Dallas and Anaheim hate each other, but if the proposed realignment happens they wouldn't be playing against each other that much.

Yes, Kari is only signed through 2013 and Hiller is a good goalie, I know that. I'm pretty sure Anaheim could re-sign Kari long-term (if traded).

How about Kari, 2013 1st and a prospect (not named Oleksiak or Campbell)/ Morrow/ Ott?

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No actually it's not close.
Anaheim gets a winger who literally did nothing last year in Nino
Grabner could possibly be a 1 hit wonder, his value is not nearly what is was.
that first is simply a pick we don't know how good it'll be.

We get no centers, we get no defensemen, no deal, not close whatsoever
Here's what I'd guess would be on the table:

Strome - 2nd line center, gets comparisons to Savard & Spezza
Niederreiter - mishandled for a year, still has some value
Okposo - RW who plays good & physical under the right circumstances
Grabner - speedy winger
Bailey - pass-happy LW/C
2013 1st
deHaan - PMD
Donovan - 2-way D
Poulin - G
Nilsson - G

Is there a combination of three things within these ten lines worth making the deal from an Anaheim point of view? Five forwards, a good pick in a good draft, 2 D-men & 2 goalies should give a fair amount to choose from.

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06-26-2012, 01:07 AM
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Don't know if this has been mentioned (didn't read the thread...my bad), but what about a deal for Kari Lehtonen. I know Dallas and Anaheim hate each other, but if the proposed realignment happens they wouldn't be playing against each other that much.

Yes, Kari is only signed through 2013 and Hiller is a good goalie, I know that. I'm pretty sure Anaheim could re-sign Kari long-term (if traded).

How about Kari, 2013 1st and a prospect (not named Oleksiak or Campbell)/ Morrow/ Ott?
We just signed Viktor Fasth and drafted Andersen.

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06-26-2012, 01:09 AM
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Here's what I'd guess would be on the table:

Strome - 2nd line center, gets comparisons to Savard & Spezza
Niederreiter - mishandled for a year, still has some value
Okposo - RW who plays good & physical under the right circumstances
Grabner - speedy winger
Bailey - pass-happy LW/C
2013 1st
deHaan - PMD
Donovan - 2-way D
Poulin - G
Nilsson - G

Is there a combination of three things within these ten lines worth making the deal from an Anaheim point of view? Five forwards, a good pick in a good draft, 2 D-men & 2 goalies should give a fair amount to choose from.
It's hard to say, there's far to much uncertainty, some of those players may turn out great but we simply don't know how they'll turn out

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06-26-2012, 01:29 AM
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Anaheim should take no less than an all-star d-man for bobby ryan. Add that with a top pairing FA d-man and they look pretty good.

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06-26-2012, 02:04 AM
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This might help the Nash trade if the Ducks are not also asking for the whole universe

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06-26-2012, 02:16 AM
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The Sabres wont lose this battle for Ryan. It may cost them a lot, but they wont lose.

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06-26-2012, 02:42 AM
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The Sabres wont lose this battle for Ryan. It may cost them a lot, but they wont lose.
Buffalo doesn't anything they would part with that's good enough to be the centerpiece to acquire Ryan. I can't see any potential deal with Buffalo.

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06-26-2012, 03:20 AM
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We just signed Viktor Fasth and drafted Andersen.
And got Gibson last year.

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06-26-2012, 03:25 AM
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And got Gibson last year.
That, too, but he and Bobkov are a little further off than Fasth and Andersen are.

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Buffalo doesn't anything they would part with that's good enough to be the centerpiece to acquire Ryan. I can't see any potential deal with Buffalo.
Tyler Ennis would certainly be a good enough centerpiece for Ryan. I could see it happening if Grigorenko looks NHL ready at the rookie camp.

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06-26-2012, 06:42 AM
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Tyler Ennis would certainly be a good enough centerpiece for Ryan. I could see it happening if Grigorenko looks NHL ready at the rookie camp.
Why get rid of Ennis?

I'd much rather have young talent of Grigorenko, Ennis, Girgensons, Armia, Hodson, Foligno, and company than Bobby Ryan. We don't need anyone on that wing anyways. We already have Pommer and Stafford, plus Armia in one year on the RW

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06-26-2012, 06:52 AM
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This might help the Nash trade if the Ducks are not also asking for the whole universe
If the asking price was not crazy then he would have been traded already.

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06-26-2012, 07:02 AM
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The problem with a lot of these trade situations is that both GM's are trying to actually get a 'great deal' and 'win' the trade instead of looking for a fair trade that's good and equal for both sides. If you're a GM who's looking to make a FAIR trade, you can make more of them and help your team instead of holding onto the dream that you're going to 'rob' some other team and get more than you deserve.

Rick Nash should have been traded already, the Jackets are in limbo, they need to move on and by getting rid of Nash, they can get started with rebuilding their team.

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06-26-2012, 07:09 AM
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Why get rid of Ennis?

I'd much rather have young talent of Grigorenko, Ennis, Girgensons, Armia, Hodson, Foligno, and company than Bobby Ryan. We don't need anyone on that wing anyways. We already have Pommer and Stafford, plus Armia in one year on the RW
Just saying, Ryan has played pretty much his whole career in Anaheim as a LWer.

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The problem with a lot of these trade situations is that both GM's are trying to actually get a 'great deal' and 'win' the trade instead of looking for a fair trade that's good and equal for both sides. If you're a GM who's looking to make a FAIR trade, you can make more of them and help your team instead of holding onto the dream that you're going to 'rob' some other team and get more than you deserve.

Rick Nash should have been traded already, the Jackets are in limbo, they need to move on and by getting rid of Nash, they can get started with rebuilding their team.
The problem is, what's fair?

If you're Anaheim, what would be fair compensation from Philly for Ryan. And then ask yourself, would Philly think it's fair?

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06-26-2012, 07:22 AM
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If you're Anaheim, what would be fair compensation from Philly for Ryan. And then ask yourself, would Philly think it's fair?
Couturier + 2013 1st + 2014 1st

Four consecutive 30+ goal seasons, can't see the Ducks asking for less.

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The problem is, what's fair?

If you're Anaheim, what would be fair compensation from Philly for Ryan. And then ask yourself, would Philly think it's fair?
Im a huge Bobby Ryan fan, but some of these trades are ridiculous, especially coming from the Islanders.

The fairest trade is Ryan straight up for Cobourn. As a flyers fan I wouldn't do it (unless we sign Suter, doubtful), but its is a pretty fair trade.

Ryan has had 4 Straight 30 goal seasons. Coburn played like 30 minutes a game in the playoffs, is big, can skate, move the puck, add some offense, and has turned into a reliable shutdown guy.

If Im Anaheim, and try to trade with Philly, he'd be the guy I really target.

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The problem is, what's fair?

If you're Anaheim, what would be fair compensation from Philly for Ryan. And then ask yourself, would Philly think it's fair?
We don't have to trade with Philly. If the needs or wants(in Philly's case) don't line up, then Philly is going to have to wait and hope no one else can offer what we need.

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