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06-25-2012, 02:18 PM
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Mark Seidel - Canadian Teams Draft Grades & Morrison post draft analysis

Top scout gives Canadiens, Leafs high draft grades.

Mark Seidel, Special to National Post.

Mark Seidel, chief scout for North American Central Scouting, has surveyed the draft haul for Canadaís seven teams, and the outlook appears very good for Montreal and Toronto. The Canadiens scored an A+ grade for their draft, which included big centre Alex Galchenyuk at No. 3 overall, plus highly rated Sebastian Collberg and Dalton Thrower in the second round. Here is Seidelís breakdown of Canadaís weekend at the NHL draft:

Montreal Canadiens: A+
The Canadiensí fall over the past few years has been caused by trades more than by bad drafting but this yearís festivities should give Marc Bergevin and his coaching staff a LOT to work with over the next few years. The selection of Alex Galchenyuk at #3 should provide the Habs with a stud centreman for the next decade. If this was the 70ís, his knee injury would have caused many issues but the kidís performance at the combine proved that he is back. In the 2nd round, they got Sebastian Collberg and Dalton Thrower who were both 1st rounders on some teamsí boards. In Collberg, they got a dynamic offensive Swede, and Thrower is a gutsy, physical defenseman who has shown good offensive instincts. Their next two picks were high character value picks in Tim Bozon and Brady Vail who wonít be stars but have a real chance at productive careers. The Habs have a lot of work to do but the 2012 draft was a great start.


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The 2012 NHL Draft: A look back at the first round

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Toronto Maple Leafs: A
The pressure is on Brian Burke and Dave Morrison and we think they responded with a great weekend. The selection of Morgan Rielly at the #5 spot was perfect because it combined a kid with exceptional character and unique skills that are so important in todayís NHL (see: Karlsson, Erik and Letang, Kris). When Saturday rolled around, the Leafs found themselves with Matt Finn, a low risk, smart, poised defender at #35. Despite not having another pick until the 5th round, the Leafs got a Mr. Hockey Finalist from Minnesota in Dom Toninato and the very underrated Ryan Rupert from the London Knights. Much like his coach in London, Dale Hunter, Rupert will not dazzle you with his skills but he will find a way to have a productive NHL career.

Vancouver Canucks: B+
The knock on the Canucks has been that they lack the will and size to become champions. This draft allowed them to address that organizational need despite not having a 3rd or 4th round pick. They began by having Brendan Gaunce fall to them at #26 and they quickly hurried to the stage to scoop him up. Another underrated player that they grabbed was defenceman Ben Hutton in the 5th round, who played in Nepean this past year and has a bright future. Despite not having many picks, the Canucks focused on character and size, which are two characteristics the L.A. Kings just used to win the Stanley Cup.

Winnipeg Jets: B+
The Jets selected a number of kids in this yearís festivities that ooze character and it started with Jacob Trouba, the solid U.S. Under-18 defender who may lack star power but carries little risk. Lukas Sutter was selected in the 2nd round and the last name alone speaks to this gritty, smart undervalued prospect who wonít become an offensive star but will be a winner. Scott Kosmachuk is another kid they took that wasnít appreciated by the scouting community but should prove to be a valuable commodity down the road. Not a lot of star power in this draft for the Jets, but guys who will help their team win games, both in the regular season and in the playoffs down the road.

Calgary Flames: B
The Flames selected Mark Jankowski in the 1st round, and although many in the media thought it was a reach, it didnít surprise teams and scouts alike. Although Jankowski played in a very non-competitive league, his upside has had people buzzing for months. The trick will be ensuring that Jankowski continues to develop as he moves up through the ranks. The Flames 2nd round pick, Patrick Sieloff, has foregone his NCAA aspirations to report to the hockey factory that the Windsor Spitfires have become and should greatly improve under the tutelage of defence guru Bobby Jones. Jon Gillies is a mammoth USHL goaltender who has potential but is a long term project. Many will criticize the Flames draft this year, but we think in a draft lacking for star power, they went for the fences and time will tell if they cleared the bases or struck out.

Ottawa Senators: B-
By drafting the local boy, Cody Ceci, the Ottawa Senators had a great Friday night. And they would have received an A+, but their Saturday selections consisted of guys with questions about production, size and upside. Jarrod Maidens out of Owen Sound had a great rookie year, but really struggled this year. If he battles back, he may have a chance at a career. The Sens also rolled the dice on two CHL goaltenders (Chris Driedger and Francois Brassard) who have been great on certain nights but need to develop consistency.

Edmonton Oilers: C
When you start out the draft by getting the best player, things are usually pretty good. And while we have no doubt that Yakupov will become a star, it is the picks in the next six rounds that make a draft. At #32, there were a number of legitimate 1st round talents, but the Oilers chose to go with local product Mitchell Moroz, a guy who has a chance to become a power forward but who didnít represent great value at that spot. Jujhar Khaira and Daniil Zharkov were their next two selections. Both have size and ability but also have deficiencies that will need to be addressed if they are going to fill roles on future Oiler teams. In a few years, this will be remembered as the Yakupov draft in Edmonton, but we think there were some character guys available who could have played with some of the Oiler high fliers and returned the City of Champions to its past glory.


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Montreal had the best draft in the league. Pretty incredible the first three picks they pulled out.

Toronto did well, I was happy with 5 and 35. Loved the Rupert pick from the Knights.

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Yep, Montreal knocked it out of the park this draft, Gally was an easy choice but Collberg and Thrower were great picks also. Wonder if Montreal would have taken Finn if they weren't so deep on D?

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Reilly and Finn were Awesome picks. I wish we had another 2nd so we could have gotten Frk. That would have made this draft an A+ for us

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Reilly and Finn were Awesome picks. I wish we had another 2nd so we could have gotten Frk. That would have made this draft an A+ for us
If we even had a 4th rd pick, man we could have ended up with Gemel Smith. He was a steal for Dallas going that late IMO.

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If we could of traded up for the Forsberg pick. 11th for Forsberg is unreal.

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If we could of traded up for the Forsberg pick. 11th for Forsberg is unreal.
It likely would have taken a lot to move Washington off that pick once Forsberg fell. Schenn+2nd+ ?

I think the smarter play was moving Schenn for a player who although oft injured has a very similar skill-set to Forsberg in JVR.

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At least Toronto is learning to Draft.

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Id say the article is accurate. Edmonton shocked me with their 2nd rd pick. Defense is a dire need and Matt Finn the 20th ranked kid was sitting on the board and they went with a decent power forward prospect instead... im glad they did.

Montreal took the familiar names, could pay off. Love the Thrower and Galchenyuk selections.

Toronto surprisingly made a fantastic pick with #5. 200 lb puck moving defense with world class legs dont just become available. Seeing how both Grigorenko and Forsberg fell drastically, means Toronto went the right route. I could be a leaf fan with leaf goggles, but does anyone else feel that Rielly with a full season under his belt could have gone ahead of Murray at #2? Hampus Lindholm going 6th tells me we robbed Rielly from Anaheim.

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I have to say, I find it interesting and a bit amusing that despite Edmonton getting the first overall pick and the best player in the draft, they not only got the lowest grade of all the Canadian teams, but the general consensus with reviews of the draft suggest that Montreal and Toronto did an excellent job with the draft while Edmonton is hardly in the conversation unless it's Yakupov being discussed. Montreal's new management is starting off on the right foot. It's nice to see Toronto have a solid draft (having draft picks this year was probably a big help to the scouting staff).

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Edmonton again didn't address their defensive needs. They could have really use Finn with their second pick.

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Edmonton again didn't address their defensive needs. They could have really use Finn with their second pick.
Tambellini is a terrible GM, we should all know this by now... 3 Straight 1st overall picks, all forwards. RNH should not have played last year, way too small. Instead he plays and gets roughed up.

It's almost as if he refuses to win.

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Tambellini is a terrible GM, we should all know this by now... 3 Straight 1st overall picks, all forwards. RNH should not have played last year, way too small. Instead he plays and gets roughed up.

It's almost as if he refuses to win.
I agree that Tambellini is a bad GM, but your reasons are wrong.

His 1st round picks all made sense considering they were the BEST players available, if you want defence, who would you choose?

Gudbranson/Fowler over Hall? I wouldn't.
Larsson over RNH? I wouldn't.
Murray/Reinhart/Rielly over Yakupov? I wouldn't.

His pick of Klefbom last later in the first was a great one, but this year his picks in the later rounds were questionable, especially position-wise, but you need to understand most picks after round one (even in round one) won't contribute for a good 3-4 years.

RNH was ready to play in the NHL so he did, here's his injury and clip of him getting "roughed up"


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Good draft Loving the Rupert pick as well. Matt is also coming to Leafs Camp

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http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/06/...rs-and-losers/

Another take. Leafs again classified as a winner, but Montreal comes out on top with Dallas and Pittsburgh.

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I agree that Tambellini is a bad GM, but your reasons are wrong.

His 1st round picks all made sense considering they were the BEST players available, if you want defence, who would you choose?

Gudbranson/Fowler over Hall? I wouldn't.
Larsson over RNH? I wouldn't.
Murray/Reinhart/Rielly over Yakupov? I wouldn't.

His pick of Klefbom last later in the first was a great one, but this year his picks in the later rounds were questionable, especially position-wise, but you need to understand most picks after round one (even in round one) won't contribute for a good 3-4 years.

RNH was ready to play in the NHL so he did, here's his injury and clip of him getting "roughed up"

I agree that the 1st overall's were used on the right players, but my point was that if he's drafting those elite offensive talents 1st overall, that every pick in rounds 2,3 and 4 should all have been used on defensemen. Moroz is a very, very questionable pick.

Also, I do realize RNH's injury was from a "freak" accident, but I still don't think he was physically ready last year. He should have spent another year in Red Deer and put on about 10-15 pounds. You could argue if he matured a bit more physically, that crash into the boards doesn't put him out for as long as he was. Taylor Hall was ready, Nail Yakupov is ready, but even with all their talent this upcoming year, they won't make the playoffs...

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Also, I do realize RNH's injury was from a "freak" accident, but I still don't think he was physically ready last year. He should have spent another year in Red Deer and put on about 10-15 pounds.
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Taylor Hall was ready, Nail Yakupov is ready, but even with all their talent this upcoming year, they won't make the playoffs...
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: 6'1, 175 lbs
Nail Yakupov: 5'11, 190 lbs

As it stands, Nail isn't anymore ready than RNH was. The latter had a rather productive rookie season, despite your concerns about how he should've stayed in Red Deer another year.

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Edmonton again didn't address their defensive needs. They could have really use Finn with their second pick.
What's shocking to me is that they had the first pick in every round in a draft class that was considered top heavy with defensemen. From the reports I've read, it seems that there were far safer picks in regards to defensemen in each round than there were for forwards. They waited until the later rounds to draft a defensemen that was 'undersized'.

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Are you peddling this scouting hack still? Jesus H, give it a rest.

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Is it not a bit to early to grade the draft?

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Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: 6'1, 175 lbs
Nail Yakupov: 5'11, 190 lbs

As it stands, Nail isn't anymore ready than RNH was. The latter had a rather productive rookie season, despite your concerns about how he should've stayed in Red Deer another year.
It's kind of odd that the guy said "RNH needed 10-15 more pounds to be ready" and your rebuttal to show Yakupov isn't any more ready showed he is exactly 15 pounds heavier.

I can't be the only one who finds that mildly amusing as a rebuttal.

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Yeah use Toronto's draft staff..

Dudley gave them those picks.It is a joke that can happen.

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In the end glad we got out of this with a pretty great draft. Montreal definitely 'won', but glad we finished right behind them on that chart.

Oilers get easy starts with the first overall pick, but certainly the rest of their draft was questionable. Will have to finish dead last a lot of years to fill every hole via the draft.

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Montreal took a lot of the internet favourites like Collberg, Bozon, Thrower so they look really good now. We'll see.

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Wasn't the Mike Brown hit on RNH the one that put him out for good? Anyways, with the way he played I think they made the right decision keeping him up. Hopefully he fully recovers.

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