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06-24-2012, 06:26 PM
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Waiting for Terry's signature

One of the better columns coming from Schopp:

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Let me say this right up front: I'm optimistic about the Sabres. As has long been the case, I like most of Darcy Regier's moves. Like most of you I just wish there were more of them. I get bored easily.

This weekend (so far) has been pretty typical, I'd say. A neat little draft move gets made to change the Sabres' positioning, to keep us honest, and the results are intriguing if not exciting. But I'm still left wanting. Where's Bobby Ryan? Why is Derek Roy still here? Where's the real roster change?

I'm at the same time impressed and disappointed, if that's possible.

The image of the Sabres certainly has changed since last February when Terry Pegula signed on. No longer are we left to question whether every single thing they're doing or not doing has more to do with money than anything else, as had been the case for the prior, oh, forever.

But is it enough?
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Most acquisitions they've made since he bought the team (Boyes, Ehrhoff, Leino) would not have been made pre-Pegula. But by my measure there has yet to be a so-called signature move, a move that screams what Pegula said famously on the day of his coronation, that the reason for the franchise's existence now is to win the Stanley Cup.

I don't think they've backed that statement up. If they had, top young players would be moved in the name of veterans and past winners. Brayden McNabb and Marcus Foligno would be on other teams. Your coach and general manager, 14 years on the job with no Cup to their names, probably would have been dismissed. There would eminate a ruthlessness that Pegula and company have not yet shown.

I don't really object to their preferred methods. I'm not a fan of ruthlessness, in general. I like having McNabb and Foligno to look forward to. I like a sports team that grows its own garden, brings up young players through the system and, ideally, wins with them. (That last part has been the catch.) I'm starved for a championship around here, but if you ask me if I'd take a Cup with nine years in the basement instead of 10 years of consistently contending, I'm not sure what I pick. I want the Sabres to always be at least pretty good.

I think that's what Pegula really meant the day he took over. Not exactly that winning the Stanley Cup would be their "sole reason for existence", but rather to try to win within a framework of pre-determined ideologies. Be loyal to your people and treat them well. Make them want to win for you. Loyalty through luxury, if you will.
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The Sabres have to win before any of us go giving them credit for having the right idea. It's been long enough. Another team this year sipped from the Cup for the first time. It's got to be our turn someday
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06-24-2012, 06:33 PM
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Problem is, the public at large doesn't care what Pegula "really meant".

He said the goal was to win the Cup. And then win it again. A statement like that shouldn't be made if it wasn't what he really meant. He is already the butt of jokes for saying that and then not making the playoffs. I realize he said from the start it was a "three year plan", and a lot of people forget THAT part of it, but still.

And Schopp is either lying or trolling for hits. He'd rather take 10 years of consistently contending over one Cup? GTFO.

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I agree, what a stupid statement.I would take 20 seasons of missing the playoffs if it meant we win one cup.

And the whole Derek Roy part is dumb, do fans really think the Sabres are better off trading Roy for garbage then keeping him?My god, it is getting ridiculous.I'd rather move Roy to LW and put Lame-o in the AHL then trade Roy for nothing.

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Problem is, the public at large doesn't care what Pegula "really meant".

He said the goal was to win the Cup. And then win it again. A statement like that shouldn't be made if it wasn't what he really meant. He is already the butt of jokes for saying that and then not making the playoffs. I realize he said from the start it was a "three year plan", and a lot of people forget THAT part of it, but still.

And Schopp is either lying or trolling for hits. He'd rather take 10 years of consistently contending over one Cup? GTFO.
The people make those jokes are, frankly, morons.

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wouldnt this column have been more appropriate after July 1 (if the moves, or lack thereof are underwhelming)?

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Nice article. I would take 1 Stanley and 9 years of losing over 9 years of winning with 0 cups every day of the week. Things have definitely changed since Pegula toke ownership. Before we would never be in on high end Free Agents. Now we are in the running with the high profiled teams in the NHL. Hopefully he can pull off a move to get Parise or Ryan in here in the next few weeks. If he does I will be ecstatic.

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wouldnt this column have been more appropriate after July 1 (if the moves, or lack thereof are underwhelming)?
#1 Rule of Sabres criticism : Accuse the team of doing nothing as soon as possible. Then, when they DO do something, ignore the fact that you ever criticized them.

Schopp isn't interested in what's best for the team. He wants a splashy move to talk about on his radio program.

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The people make those jokes are, frankly, morons.
Oh - I agree. I was just making an observation.

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Preferring 1 cup and 9 years of garbage to 10 years of serious contention is absurd to me, especially since you aren't the one actually achieving anything. Contention == entertainment, something to root for deep into every year.

But to each his own.

I don't really agree with anything Schopp says here, which doesn't surprise me.

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Would you rather be the Carolina Hurricanes or Detroit Red Wings?

Contending doesn't mean you lose every year. Do you want a team good enough to win it for 10 years or a team that sells 9 years for one cup?

It would be hard for me too. (I'd probably take the cup)

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If you asked me to pick between the Nucks of the last 10 years and the Lightning, I take Vancouver.

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If you asked me to pick between the Nucks of the last 10 years and the Lightning, I take Vancouver.








Call me crazy, but I'll take the cup and the 1-2 rebuilds AINEC


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Call me crazy, but I'll take the cup and the 1-2 rebuilds AINEC


i'd take a cup.

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Wow, it's almost like I picked those examples intentionally

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This column is dumb as hell. It's June 24.

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I'd take the cup and buy every piece of Sabres Stanley Cup Memorabilia and wear it proudly for the next 10 years until we get our next cup. By this theory we would of already won 4 cups since we came into the league in 1970. Yet, were still at 0 cups in 42 years, so yeah anyone not taking the cup every 10 years is lying to themselves.

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Would you rather be the Carolina Hurricanes or Detroit Red Wings?

Contending doesn't mean you lose every year. Do you want a team good enough to win it for 10 years or a team that sells 9 years for one cup?

It would be hard for me too. (I'd probably take the cup)
or the san jose sharks

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i want a cup. i'll take the losing for a decade... no problem (isn't that what the last decade has been, essentially?)

which is why i desperately wanted them to blow this nonsense up 18 months ago...

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Some people need some perspective. The Sabres aren't going to cash in on EVERY player rumored to be on the trading block.

The Ehrhoff signing WAS a signficant move.
The Regehr trade WAS a signficant move.

So in order to make Mike Schopp happy you have to pick one of the best players in the draft, trade up to take another very highly valued player, AND trade for an All-Star? I'm pretty sure the moves the team did or didn't make is NOT the problem in this equation.

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So in order to make Mike Schopp happy you have to pick one of the best players in the draft, trade up to take another very highly valued player, AND trade for an All-Star? I'm pretty sure the moves the team did or didn't make is NOT the problem in this equation.
Not 100% what you said, but he basically wants Regier to be Paul Holmgren.


Yeah, and watch the two stars you traded away win a Cup elsewhere.

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Cup.

This article is idiotic (nice of me) pre-July 1.

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I'm baffled actually. I just re read it. I would call Ehrhoff our first signature move. And it was a signature move. 10 year deal, FAIR TO GREAT cap hit, this all after acquiring his negotiating rights prior to the first of July? That doesn't happen with BTG.

So because Ehrhoff's offensive numbers dropped with us, the move isn't "signature" in hindsight. What exactly do you want? Running a business by giving employees one small chance to make right under your watch is no way to be a successful business. Talk to me in two years about lack of signature moves and I'll listen if the argument is legitimate.

Sorry... Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither were the Kings, or last year's Bruins.... Jeeeeeeesus. Always complaining, never complaining coherently. And Schopp is someone I don't despise. This is disappointing.

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This is a call for change for change's sake.

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