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06-24-2012, 09:42 PM
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http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/fla120624.html

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The Florida Panthers are serious about bringing back Roberto Luongo to South Florida, one league source told TFP on Sunday.

Speaking on the basis of anonymity, the source indicated that Luongo is now only willing to waive his no-movement clause to Florida, where he spends his off-seasons.

The Toronto Maple Leafs are also among the teams extremely interested in acquiring Luongo, who has 10-years left on his contract, but unless the veteran netminder changes his mind in the near future, that doesn't appear to be a possibility.
It's believed the Vancouver Canucks are demanding a package that includes center Nick Bjugstad, something the Panthers are not willing to do.

Bjudstad, 19, was drafted 19th overall by the Panthers in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft. He registered 25 goals and 17 assists for 42 points in 40 games with Minnesota in the WCHA.

The Canucks have been trying to trade Luongo for some time, but have been presented with several challenges, the most of which revolve around his no-movement clause. Without his consent, Luongo can veto any trade the Panthers agree to.

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06-24-2012, 09:44 PM
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Don't know where this stands now, but over ‪#NHLdraft‬ weekend I heard G Roberto Luongo to Chicago, if the ‪#Blackhawks‬ could make $$$ work.

4:24 PM - 24 Jun 12 via TweetDeck

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06-24-2012, 09:49 PM
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looks to me like we'll be trying to package a winger + dman for a C or G.

wingers potentially available:

Macarthur
Kulemin
Kadri
Armstrong
Lombardi

dman potentially available:

Franson
Komisarek
Liles
Holzer
Blacker

roster locks:

Kessel
Grabovski
Lupul
Bozak
JVR
Frattin
Brown
Steckel
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I say we offer sheet Schneider. If they match, they match.

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I say we offer sheet Schneider. If they match, they match.
That's how the organization gets blacklisted.

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i must consider McGratton
he's a big mean dude

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I say we offer sheet Schneider. If they match, they match.
And lose 4 1st round picks? No thanks.

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And lose 4 1st round picks? No thanks.
we're not going to offer him 8 million, this is Schnieder, not Crosby/Malkin we would be offer sheeting.

$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

Geez, 5x5 for 25 would be enough to screw Vancouver ...heck 6x5 why not, it's the same picks.

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06-24-2012, 10:08 PM
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excellent not us. thank god.

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excellent not us. thank god.
I don't understand this LR.

We have no proven goalie.

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we're not going to offer him 8 million, this is Schnieder, not Crosby/Malkin we would be offer sheeting.

$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

Geez, 5x5 for 25 would be enough to screw Vancouver ...heck 6x5 why not, it's the same picks.
Sorry I thought it was only $6M for it to be 4 1st rounders.

Still no way in hell that Vancouver doesn't match $5M per. How much do you think they're planning on paying him in the first place?

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I don't understand this LR.

We have no proven goalie.
The contract. 10 years. 10 freaking years of a NMC contract on the books. Think of your age now. Think of your age in 10 years, when that Loungo is still with the team and useless for 5+ Million a year.

I can't see any benefit in having that contract at his age.

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The contract. 10 years. 10 freaking years of a NMC contract on the books. Think of your age now. Think of your age in 10 years, when that Loungo is still with the team and useless for 5+ Million a year.

I can't see any benefit in having that contract at his age.
From what I can tell on CapGeek, the contract only has an NTC not an NMC.

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Luongo's contract is definitely scary. Sure, he'll retire before it's over, but if his play significantly declines before he's ready to call it quits, we'd be stuck with a lot of money wasted on nothing. He's already 33 years old too, who knows how long he has left.

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The contract. 10 years. 10 freaking years of a NMC contract on the books. Think of your age now. Think of your age in 10 years, when that Loungo is still with the team and useless for 5+ Million a year.

I can't see any benefit in having that contract at his age.
The way his contract is structured we'd just send him to the minors in the later years or he will retire (more likely).

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Luongo's contract is definitely scary. Sure, he'll retire before it's over, but if his play significantly declines before he's ready to call it quits, we'd be stuck with a lot of money wasted on nothing. He's already 33 years old too, who knows how long he has left.
But yes this is the fear. A lot of goalies are good into their late 30s and sometimes even 40s but it is still a risk.

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Luongo's contract is definitely scary. Sure, he'll retire before it's over, but if his play significantly declines before he's ready to call it quits, we'd be stuck with a lot of money wasted on nothing. He's already 33 years old too, who knows how long he has left.
Goalies usually last longer though and there's no indication he is out of shape MM.

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Whatever it (reasonably) takes to get this line up, I would be very happy with.

Lupul - Stastny - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Stewart
Kulemin - Bozak - Frattin
Brown - Steckel - Armstrong

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Holzer
Liles - Komisarek

Luongo
Reimer
Holzer is not top 4 d yet... Why are ppl thinking that.

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Goalies usually last longer though and there's no indication he is out of shape MM.
Generally, but you never know.

I don't think getting Luongo would be a bad thing at all, my main issue is cost.

Are we really in a position to be acquiring a 33 year old goaltender if we have to part with significant assets that could help this team when we're ready to contend in (hopefully) a few years time?

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As I have stated before, look at the prices of a goalie who is over 33, look at Manny Fernandez and look at Christobal Huet.

And then look at the prices of Halak, Seymon, Lehtonen and so on.

Loungo falls in the category of the primary group hence should be receive a price similar to those, but Gillis and majority of the canuck fans want the price of the latter. Which in reality is delusional, he maybe a goalie, which is a spot where we have no bonafide starter, but he isn't a spring chicken.

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it is very delusional how much the nucks are "supposedly" looking for for luongo. he is still 33YO goaltender and has 10 years left owing him 7M+ per season. if he was on the leafs we would all be happy just to dump him for expirings.

also his potential suiters are dwindling down, frankly i'd love to see every team vying for luongo get any goaltender that isn't luongo therefore leaving the nucks stuck with his contract.

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That's how the organization gets blacklisted.
I'm not so sure about that.

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we're not going to offer him 8 million, this is Schnieder, not Crosby/Malkin we would be offer sheeting.

$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

Geez, 5x5 for 25 would be enough to screw Vancouver ...heck 6x5 why not, it's the same picks.
They're looking to upgrade their team now, so I'm not even sure they'd want the picks. Sure, those picks would be great to have down the road, but the Sedins are going to be in the twilight of their careers when these not-yet-drafted prospects are ready to contribute. I think it's more likely that we'd be sending bodies back instead of the picks. Like the Renberg/Gratton trade.

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As I have stated before, look at the prices of a goalie who is over 33, look at Manny Fernandez and look at Christobal Huet.

And then look at the prices of Halak, Seymon, Lehtonen and so on.

Loungo falls in the category of the primary group hence should be receive a price similar to those, but Gillis and majority of the canuck fans want the price of the latter. Which in reality is delusional, he maybe a goalie, which is a spot where we have no bonafide starter, but he isn't a spring chicken.
I still believe Luongo is worth more in a trade than a lot of Leafs fans believe, but definitely less than what Nucks fans want. Huet was traded as rental at the deadline so that's why he didn't bring back much value. I did not consider Huet or Fernandez to be top-10 goalies, but Luongo currently is.

Lu's contract definitely hurts his value, but he still does have some decent value.

He won't cost as much as Varlamov, but he could cost similar to Halak.

Lehtonen actually got a terrible return.

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Sorry I thought it was only $6M for it to be 4 1st rounders.

Still no way in hell that Vancouver doesn't match $5M per. How much do you think they're planning on paying him in the first place?
Their board is speculating 3.5 to 4. A 6 year x $5m would effectively force their hand. Either give Lu away for peanuts, let Schneider go, or go into the season with two long-term $5m cap hits on goaltending.

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I still believe Luongo is worth more in a trade than a lot of Leafs fans believe, but definitely less than what Nucks fans want. Huet was traded as rental at the deadline so that's why he didn't bring back much value. I did not consider Huet or Fernandez to be top-10 goalies, but Luongo currently is.

Lu's contract definitely hurts his value, but he still does have some decent value.

He won't cost as much as Varlamov, but he could cost similar to Halak.

Lehtonen actually got a terrible return.
Even if that is the case, neither of those players had a 40 million dollar cap hit. Retirement or not, he is going to be moving for a soft deal whether the canuck fans like to believe it or not really. Huet was a legit starter but I think he fell out of favour for the young promising starter in Price, was valuable experience in the playoffs.

The halak price is what I believe as well.

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