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06-24-2012, 09:15 PM
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Edmonton - Toronto

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Ryan Jones
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06-24-2012, 09:21 PM
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i might be ok with this as an oilers fan.


although im not sure how much it would help

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Franson would be our 5/6 d-man (behind Smid,Schultz,Petry and Whitney) which we have enough of! Plus i also really like Jones so no

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Ryan Jones is very well liked by the org and his teammates. Id be surprised to see him traded. Potter/Peckham are available since we already have the 7 dmen signed.

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Jones is a very good PK guy with potential for 15G per year on the 3rd line. Very good motor and awesome hair. Tradable? Yes. For Franson, idk. Franson has a very good offensive upside but isnt an upgrade on the Oilers defense. I'd pass.

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06-24-2012, 10:14 PM
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Not interested in giving Toronto a hole to slot Schultz into.

Besides I like Jones as an Oiler.

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06-24-2012, 10:17 PM
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Not interested in giving Toronto a hole to slot Schultz into.

Besides I like Jones as an Oiler.
They already did that by trading away Luke Schenn for James van Riemsdyk.

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As much as everyone picks on the Oilers D, their lack of scoring depth and size is just as much of an issue. I like Jones. He is cheap, can score nearly 20 goals, and fills a good positional need. Franson, no offense...isn't much better than what the Oilers already have. It would also make it difficult for the many young blueliners the Oil have in the pipes to make the team from camp.

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I wouldn't do this. We have Potter why trade a player we need in Jones for a redundant asset? Jones is also IMO easily the more valuable player.

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06-24-2012, 10:26 PM
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They already did that by trading away Luke Schenn for James van Riemsdyk.
Luke Schenn and Justin Schultz play two different styles of Hockey, the first a "stay at Home" guy and the second a "offensive puck mover"

Franson is a "offensive" dman (you choose the literal meaning of the word offensive) and a #7 dman on the Leafs.

The Leafs defense (29th) curiously ranked 6 spots lower than the Oilers defense in goals against for 2011-12 thanks but no thanks to trading for pieces of that.

He was a healthy scratch behind Mike "can't trade me" Komisarek 25 times last season. ( Another selling point from a leafs fans perspective I'm sure).

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06-24-2012, 10:27 PM
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Jones is a very good PK guy with potential for 15G per year on the 3rd line. Very good motor and awesome hair. Tradable? Yes. For Franson, idk. Franson has a very good offensive upside but isnt an upgrade on the Oilers defense. I'd pass.
He isn't an upgrade over Potter or Peckham?

Thats an interesting perspective.

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Luke Schenn and Justin Schultz play two different styles of Hockey, the first a "stay at Home" guy and the second a "offensive puck mover"

Franson is a "offensive" dman (you choose the literal meaning of the word offensive) and a #7 dman on the Leafs.

The Leafs defense (29th) curiously ranked 6 spots lower than the Oilers defense in goals against for 2011-12 thanks but no thanks to trading for pieces of that.

He was a healthy scratch behind Mike "can't trade me" Komisarek 25 times last season. ( Another selling point from a leafs fans perspective I'm sure).
It doesn't matter what styles Luke Schenn or Justin Schultz play. With Luke Schenn gone, it opens up a chance for Schultz to slot into the top four if he earns it out of camp. It's as simple as that.

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06-24-2012, 10:31 PM
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He isn't an upgrade over Potter or Peckham?

Thats an interesting perspective.
Problem is we would have to give up a roster player in Jones who has value to the Oilers in exchange for a player who would be a marginal if at all upgrade on players we have under contract already.

The Oilers have plenty of #7 dmen already why would we trade for one more?

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It doesn't matter what styles Luke Schenn or Justin Schultz play. With Luke Schenn gone, it opens up a chance for Schultz to slot into the top four if he earns it out of camp. It's as simple as that.
We shall see soon enough where Schultz signs.

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He isn't an upgrade over Potter or Peckham?

Thats an interesting perspective.
Peckham and Franson are very different players. Peckham was only 24 last season, an in the very least can fill a role as a PK specialist and enforcer. Peckham at the moment is pretty much the opposite of Franson. I'd rather have Peckham myself.

Franson if he is an upgrade over Potter, isn't by much. Potter and Peckham BTW are expected by most to be depth defenseman next year as #7/8 guys. Smid, Petry, N.Schultz, Whitney, Sutton, and hopefully a UFA are expected to play ahead of them. Franson would only give Sutton a run for his money to make the roster. Potter is very solid on the PP, as is Whitney, and even Petry can fill the role. The Oilers had the #2 PP in the league, we really don't need to trade for an upgrade on the backend at the expense of a guy who did well for us in a checking role while providing offense and much needed size and grit. This deal adds needs to the roster, and does not fill any.

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He isn't an upgrade over Potter or Peckham?

Thats an interesting perspective.
Potter for what we pay him is actually worth keeping. The minutes he eats up is the biggest issue. As is having him QB the PP. And I seriously doubt Peckham stays.... he is more of a goon than a D. Why have Eager and Hordichuk then? Doesn't make sense.

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Luke Schenn and Justin Schultz play two different styles of Hockey, the first a "stay at Home" guy and the second a "offensive puck mover"

Franson is a "offensive" (you choose the literal meaning of the word offensive) and a #7 dman on the Leafs.

The Leafs defense (29th) curiously ranked 6 spots lower than the Oilers defense in goals against for 2011-12 thanks but no thanks to trading for pieces of that.

He was a healthy scratch behind Mike "can't trade me" Komisarek 25 times last season. ( Another selling point from a leafs fans perspective I'm sure).
It was all to do with contract.. It sounds ridiculous and it drove most fans insane, but its the truth. Komisarek was given every opportunity to play, but there isn't any one person who saw them play and could even argue who the better player was, or who deserved to be in the press box for that matter.


Khabibulin and Dubnyk also had excellent seasons... Having a goalie who makes saves makes a huge difference.


But hey, this is HF... Stats are the sole measuring stick, so carry on. Frankly, I don't understand why teams spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on scouting every year... You can just log onto the internet and pull everyones stats... Unless you're Edmonton and pick first every year, thats easy enough.

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Potter for what we pay him is actually worth keeping. The minutes he eats up is the biggest issue. As is having him QB the PP. And I seriously doubt Peckham stays.... he is more of a goon than a D. Why have Eager and Hordichuk then? Doesn't make sense.
I was never advocating the deal, I was just curious as to the opinion that Franson wouldn't be an upgrade, or that he's nothing more then a 7th d man... That couldn't be farther from the truth.

I wouldn't want to trade Jones either, he's a beauty... He's the type of player that a trade would never return his value. What you would want for him, no team would be willing to pay.

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Potter for what we pay him is actually worth keeping. The minutes he eats up is the biggest issue. As is having him QB the PP. And I seriously doubt Peckham stays.... he is more of a goon than a D. Why have Eager and Hordichuk then? Doesn't make sense.
I don't think Hordichuk is coming back, isn't he a UFA? Also it seems as if Eager may be out of favour in Edmonton. Personally i think it would be a huge mistake to keep Hordichuk, or especially Eager, over Peckham who can actually play hockey. He's not doing too bad for a 24 year old. I'd move Peckham to forward to play as an enforcer befor letting him go for peanuts. IIRC even a guy like Chris Phillips had some stints at forward in his early-mid 20's. Remeber Smid playing forward at 22? Peckham is still developing it would be better to find a way to keep him in the fold. Unlike Eager Peckham is actually willing to enforce.

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It was all to do with contract.. It sounds ridiculous and it drove most fans insane, but its the truth. Komisarek was given every opportunity to play, but there isn't any one person who saw them play and could even argue who the better player was, or who deserved to be in the press box for that matter.


Khabibulin and Dubnyk also had excellent seasons... Having a goalie who makes saves makes a huge difference.


But hey, this is HF... Stats are the sole measuring stick, so carry on. Frankly, I don't understand why teams spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on scouting every year... You can just log onto the internet and pull everyones stats... Unless you're Edmonton and pick first every year, thats easy enough.
Khabibulin did not hav an excellent season. He had a good start but tailled off considerably as the year went on, and was back to the Khabibulin Edmonton fans know and hate.

Franson is a 7th /bottom pairing defenseman, he was in Nashville and he was in Toronto. He has potential to improve still, but he hasn't proven himself as anything more.

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It was all to do with contract.. It sounds ridiculous and it drove most fans insane, but its the truth. Komisarek was given every opportunity to play, but there isn't any one person who saw them play and could even argue who the better player was, or who deserved to be in the press box for that matter.


Khabibulin and Dubnyk also had excellent seasons... Having a goalie who makes saves makes a huge difference.


But hey, this is HF... Stats are the sole measuring stick, so carry on. Frankly, I don't understand why teams spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on scouting every year... You can just log onto the internet and pull everyones stats... Unless you're Edmonton and pick first every year, thats easy enough.
Not sure if you are serious about the bolded section.

Dubnyk played .500 hockey in regulation, hardly excellent.

I watched a fair number of Leaf games last year, your defense left your goalies out to dry many many nights last year, and your forwards failed to support the defense on a regular basis (playing run n gun) sure the monster had some terrible horrid games and so did Reimer, but neither one of them only had one win after christmas like Khabbibulin.

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Luke Schenn and Justin Schultz play two different styles of Hockey, the first a "stay at Home" guy and the second a "offensive puck mover"

Franson is a "offensive" dman (you choose the literal meaning of the word offensive) and a #7 dman on the Leafs.

The Leafs defense (29th) curiously ranked 6 spots lower than the Oilers defense in goals against for 2011-12 thanks but no thanks to trading for pieces of that.

He was a healthy scratch behind Mike "can't trade me" Komisarek 25 times last season. ( Another selling point from a leafs fans perspective I'm sure).
It doesn't matter that their styles are different. The Leafs are going to ice the best defense available. Especially with Carlyle actually choosing to play with defense as apposed to Ron Wilsons no defense system.

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Not sure if you are serious about the bolded section.

Dubnyk played .500 hockey in regulation, hardly excellent.

I watched a fair number of Leaf games last year, your defense left your goalies out to dry many many nights last year, and your forwards failed to support the defense on a regular basis (playing run n gun) sure the monster had some terrible horrid games and so did Reimer, but neither one of them only had one win after christmas like Khabbibulin.

If you combined Khabi's start to the year with Dubnyk's finish, than it was an excellent year. And people seriously need to start believing in Dubnyk. If it wasn't for so many turnovers, bad positioning, rookie mistakes etc... his stats would be much better. I think he is going to be a great starter next year.

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Leafs fans, with Schenn gone doesn't that actually guarantee Franson a spot in the top 6?

Why would the Leafs want to trade him unless they know for sure Schultz will sign or Reilly makes the team????

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Not sure if you are serious about the bolded section.

Dubnyk played .500 hockey in regulation, hardly excellent.

I watched a fair number of Leaf games last year, your defense left your goalies out to dry many many nights last year, and your forwards failed to support the defense on a regular basis (playing run n gun) sure the monster had some terrible horrid games and so did Reimer, but neither one of them only had one win after christmas like Khabbibulin.
Your, your, your... I'm not a member of the organization, so you can stop speaking as though I have some affiliation with any of this...

I guess I meant excellent compared to previous years...

And you're obviously talking about the Ron Wilson system, that he was eventually fired for... Any idiot knew he didn't have the horses to play that style, unfortunatly he was a very slow learner and it cost him his job.

Ever think why these players leaving Wilson's system suddenly look like different, and more effective players? A good coach caters his philosophy according to what he has.. Wilson just wanted to play run and gun, regardless.

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